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2024 anyone?

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There's already speculation that Trump will run again in 2024. With Biden widely expected not to seek a second term we might just see that Harris vs Trump contest after all.
 

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That wouldn't surprise me. Biden was likely the contingency to get Harris in the White House after her own campaign crashed and burned. I doubt they even like each other.

I assume Harris would still have to face a primary if she's not the incumbent. Not that it matters, as the DNC will ensure that she's their nominee this time.

Trump's a narcissist who refuses to accept the election results, so I can certainly see him running again to prove himself.
 
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Trump's a narcissist who refuses to accept the election results, so I can certainly see him running again to prove himself
I vaguely recall Trump claiming in 2016 that the election was going to be rigged against him. Until he won, which was therefore automatically a massive historic landslide victory. Despite most US presidential elections producing winners with more electoral votes. Although when Biden got that number, Trump claimed that the election was rigged. Even though Trump said he is the most successful person ever to run for the Presidency by far and nobody’s been more successful than him and he is the most successful person ever to run for the Presidency by far and nobody has been more successful than him and he is the most successful person ever to run. Oh, I’ve got some malignant narcissists in the family, who he seems like a milder version of. My door is always locked and bolted to them.
 

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There's already speculation that Trump will run again in 2024. With Biden widely expected not to seek a second term we might just see that Harris vs Trump contest after all.
But would Trump put himself up for the possibility of repeating the experience of losing again though? Do you think he is handling losing this one well?
 

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would Trump put himself up for the possibility of repeating the experience of losing again though? Do you think he is handling losing this one well?
He is not acknowledging that he has lost. From all appearances he genuinely seems to think it's been stolen from him. So, yes, I think he'd be up for revenge.
 

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He is not acknowledging that he has lost. From all appearances he genuinely seems to think it's been stolen from him. So, yes
It doesn’t seem genuine to me. More of an ego-saving conspiracy fiction he has created, deflecting from his loss. When Trump had 306 electoral college votes in 2016, he kept repeatedly slipping it into conversations, calling it a historic landslide victory. He said that he slaughtered them. And he has said that Biden won but then said it was a rigged election and that he would never concede. And he revenge fired his election cyber security chief, Chris Krebs, after Krebs (appointed by Trump) said the election was the most secure in American history. Which along with the result itself, would inflict a narcissistic injury, exposing Trump fibs.
 
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He is not acknowledging that he has lost. From all appearances he genuinely seems to think it's been stolen from him. So, yes, I think he'd be up for revenge.
Well, it isn’t uncommon for narcissists to over time come to believe in their own fiction.

I’ve seen Trump making election campaign statements where he actually says that he will believe the results if he wins! When he doesn’t, the failure appears to be projected on to others.
 

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it isn’t uncommon for narcissists to over time come to believe in their own fiction.
This is what I've started to think about him. A normal liar will say things in the hope of fooling the listener. Trump says things so outrageous that surely he could not expect to be believed unless he believes it himself. It's quite sad really.
 

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This is what I've started to think about him. A normal liar will say things in the hope of fooling the listener. Trump says things so outrageous that surely he could not expect to be believed unless he believes it himself. It's quite sad really.
Well, I was just viewing a comment from a few days ago, from clinical psychologist Mary Trump (his niece), where she said that Donald Trump “is the only person I’ve ever met who can gaslight himself.” She also said, “I don’t think he’s ever accepted the truth of the loss. I don’t think he’s psychologically or emotionally capable of that.”
 

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I've seen some speculation on whether Trump would ask Pence to run with him again.
I'm surprised that this would even come up since Pence has been demonised by the Trumpists for doing his duty in cerifying the election result.
A better question might be if Pence would want to run with Trump again.
Politco seems to agree with me.
 

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So not only are Biden and Trump both terrible presidents and horrible human beings, they also both regret their VP picks! :D
There's already speculation that Trump will run again in 2024. With Biden widely expected not to seek a second term we might just see that Harris vs Trump contest after all.
After just six months, Kamala Harris is said to be the least popular vice president since the 1970s. In contrast, Trump doesn't appear to have lost the support of his base.

Still, it would be funny if Pence ran against Trump in the primary and won. If the race were between Pence and Harris, I wonder which detestable VP would come out ahead.

Hell, Trump himself would likely beat Harris if the election were held today. It will take a miracle to make Harris viable by 2024. The Dems's gamble may not have paid off.
 
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Funny but not likely. :)
Not likely, but the idea of Harris vs. Pence intrigues me. Not only are they the two most recent VP's, they're also immensely unpopular. Yet another lose lose decision.
Trump still commands a great following. Much as I hate to say it, he could well beat anyone the Dems put up.
That's because the Dems insist on putting up their most unlikeable right wing figures. Trump at least pretended to be an economic populist like Bernie when he ran in 2016.

Had it not been for the pandemic and Trump's abysmal handling of it, he would have likely beat Biden and cruised on to a consecutive second term.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I understand why his long shot campaign was successful in 2016, and why it could be again in 2024. If the Dems weren't in the same corporate and militaristic pockets as the Republicans they pretend to oppose, a demagogue like Trump wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming president once, let alone twice.
 
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I'm a fan of Trump and anything would be better than sleep joe and that worthless Harris!
Trump was smart to lean in to economic issues in 2016. He also came out against the wars, but he ultimately did the bidding of the neocons as president.

By 2020, Trump had lost his ability to read the room when it came to campaigning. He stuck to the standard Republican playbook of portraying your opponent as a "scary" socialist who wants to defund the police. Unfortunately for Trump, those punches didn't land because Biden's anti-socialism/pro-police state policies were widely known.

Both Biden and Harris bashed Trump as an inhumane monster, yet they pushed the same inhumane policies once in office. In many ways, I think Joe Biden is even worse than Trump. Biden is the architect of modern neoliberalism, which is almost indistinguishable from neoconservatism. He did far more damage in 47 years than Trump did in just 4.

Take kids in cages, for example. Dems bashed Trump for that policy, even though the cages were built while Biden was VP. Biden's also caged children as president, and the Dems that criticized Trump haven't said a word. Harris also bashed Trump for his anti-immigration policies, and then infamously told refugees at the border "do not come."

It's all just a giant con game. The Dems led by sleepy Joe and Harris are an insidious threat because large numbers of the American public are easily pacified with platitudes.

I've voted third party the last two election cycles. And while certain people have tried to shame me for that, I see nothing that makes me regret my decision.
 
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Trump was smart to lean in to economic issues in 2016. He also came out against the wars, but he ultimately did the bidding of the neocons as president.

By 2020, Trump had lost his ability to read the room when it came to campaigning. He stuck to the standard Republican playbook of portraying your opponent as a "scary" socialist who wants to defund the police. Unfortunately for Trump, those punches didn't land because Biden's anti-socialism/pro-police state policies were widely known.

Both Biden and Harris bashed Trump as an inhumane monster, yet they pushed the same inhumane policies once in office. In many ways, I think Joe Biden is even worse than Trump. Biden is the architect of modern neoliberalism, which is almost indistinguishable from neoconservatism. He did far more damage in 47 years than Trump did in just 4.

Take kids in cages, for example. Dems bashed Trump for that policy, even though the cages were built while Biden was VP. Biden's also caged children as president, and the Dems that criticized Trump haven't said a word. Harris also bashed Trump for his anti-immigration policies, and then infamously told refugees at the border "do not come."

It's all just a giant con game. The Dems led by sleepy Joe and Harris are an insidious threat because large numbers of the American public are easily pacified with platitudes.

I've voted third party the last two election cycles. And while certain people have tried to shame me for that, I see nothing that makes me regret my decision.
Very interesting never thought about it like that thank you for sharing!
 
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