Michael Moore warns that Trump is on course to yet again win the presidential election

[Snarky Oracle!]

I've been saying this all year...

Michael Moore warned that Trump's support among his base is 'off the charts', and he is on course to win the presidential election

• Filmmaker Michael Moore has warned that history may be repeating itself, and as in 2016 complacent progressives are ignoring the huge and fervent support President Trump has in battleground states.
• "I'm warning you almost 10 weeks in advance. The enthusiasm level for the 60 million in Trump's base is OFF THE CHARTS! For Joe, not so much," wrote Moore on Facebook.
• Moore cited a series of polls showing Biden and Trump tied, or the race narrowing, in swing states that helped propel Trump to a shock victory in 2016.
• Moore, a supporter of Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, was one of few to predict that "Rust Belt" voters would abandon Democrats and propel Trump to victory in 2016.

Filmmaker Michael Moore has warned that enthusiasm for President Donald Trump is "off the charts" in key battleground states, and complacent Democrats risk the same shock they suffered in the 2016 election when many wrote off Trump's chances.


Moore, who comes from Flint, Michigan, has spent his career documenting the plight of working-class Americans in the "Rust Belt," whose decision to flip from Democrat to Republican was key to Trump's shock victory four years ago.

He was one of few political observers to successfully predict in 2016 that Trump would defeat Hillary Clinton, as Trump's America First message resonated in states where traditional industries have been decimated.

In a Facebook post on Saturday, he warned progressives against complacency as national polls continue to show Democratic candidate Joe Biden with a lead over Trump.

"Are you ready for a Trump victory? Are you mentally prepared to be outsmarted by Trump again? Do you find comfort in your certainty that there is no way Trump can win? Are you content with the trust you've placed in the DNC to pull this off?" he wrote.

"I'm warning you almost 10 weeks in advance. The enthusiasm level for the 60 million in Trump's base is OFF THE CHARTS! For Joe, not so much," warned Moore. "Don't leave it to the Democrats to get rid of Trump. YOU have to get rid of Trump. WE have to wake up every day for the next 67 days and make sure each of us are going to get a hundred people out to vote. ACT NOW!" wrote Moore.

He went on to claim that recent polling shows the race tightening in swing states.

In the post, Moore claimed that "when CNN polled registered voters in August in just the swing states, Biden and Trump were in a virtual tie."

The August 17 CNN poll taken ahead of the party conventions found that of registered voters in battleground states, 49% backed Biden and 48% Trump.

"In Minnesota, it's 47-47. In Michigan, where Biden had a big lead, Trump has closed the gap to 4 points," continued Moore.

In a poll on August 20, the GOP-leaning Trafalgar Group found Biden and Trump tied at 47% in Minnesota, while an August 20 poll by the University of Wisconsin-Madison found Biden with a five-point lead over Trump in Michigan.

The most recent battleground state poll, released by CNBC-Change Research on Wednesday, found that Biden currently leads Trump by 3 points in six battleground states, and his lead is narrowing.

Back in October 2016, as polls showed Clinton with a commanding lead over Trump and many pundits were writing off his chances, Moore warned that "Trump's election is going to be the biggest 'f*** you' ever recorded in human history."

"Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting, and that's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump," Moore said at the time.

 

[CeeCee72]

He's right. Democrats are too confident, just like in 2016. The more they believe Biden has this thing in the bag the less likely they are to make the effort to vote.

 

[Crimson]

There's never been an election that I've been more indifferent about. Not because I'm not eager to see Trump gone, but because I've thought from the beginning that this was a foregone conclusion for Trump's re-election. Pre-Covid it was a near certainty; an incumbent President with a strong economy is virtually undefeatable. The post- Covid collapse economy opened up a sliver of possibility, but the Democrats are ideologically split. I think Biden was the second worst possible choice out of the entire Democratic primary, but it hardly matters; I think every single one of them would have lost. As always, it's worth remembering that Presidential elections are not won nationally or by the ideological flanks; they're won by a sliver of white, rural, mid-Western voters who have a ridiculously out-of-proportion political sway due to America's archaic election systems.

So, four more years of Trump, most likely; maybe, in those four years, Democrats can dig up a candidate who can reconcile the two sides of the Party and who isn't a dusty fossil.

 

[Sarah]

I can't take anymore of him.

I've spent part of today trying to explain to my dear friend in the US how he is portrayed over here in the UK and Ireland, as she believes it's propaganda by the media and that he's not actually that bad. I don't know what to say, except to tell her what we see about him here.

I'm scared And I DO NOT understand why, if this man is the personification of evil that is portrayed in this part of the world, how he can possibly be re-elected?

 

[CeeCee72]

@Sarah , I have a good friend in Canada who is always asking me HOW we let this happen. The only answer is one we don't want to face as a country because then we have to admit how awful we truly are. Eight years of a black President drove a certain segment white Americans insane. They love him BECAUSE of who he is, NOT in spite of it. They want the blacks black on the plantation, the women back in the kitchen, and the gays back in the closet. That's ALL they care about. And they want to be as mean and nasty about it as possible. Anyone who says they think it's propaganda isn't being honest with themselves. Trump supporters don't measure his success by what he does FOR them, they measure it by what he does TO others. And the rest of us? The vast majority who are sickened by him? We're too busy arguing about who or who isn't the best candidate to be bothered to save the Republic by kicking his ass out of office.

 

[Sarah]

I love the USA, I really do and it makes me so sad to read this @CeeCee72

This girl is one of my best friends and I don't want to offend her or step the boundaries but I HATE Trump. I hate what he's doing to the States and to the people. I adored Obama. I hated W. Now W just looks like a kitten in comparison.

I'm so worried about what will happen to the USA if he is re-elected, and as well as that, US influence has a MAJOR impact on the rest of us.

Thanks for explaining it @CeeCee72

 

[Angela Channing]

I saw Michael Moore saying this on Twitter too. He is right that Trump could still win this. Trump is a president who will lie and cheat to win this and even if he loses he will try to discredit the result. However, unlike last time I think the Democrats are more aware of what Trump can and might do and are more prepared to deal with it. Nationally, Biden has a comfortable lead (around 8%) but in the key swing states ( Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) Biden still has a lead but it is much closer and narrowing.

The situation is not as pessimistic as Mr Moore was suggesting especially as the indication is that there will be a high voter turnout so Trump can't rely on Democrat voters staying at home like many did when Hilary was the candidate.

 

[CeeCee72]

@Sarah , I was critical of both Obama and W. Clinton too for that matter. The truth is that all of our presidents since Reagan have had virtually the same policies and I disagreed with most of those policies.

But I never believed any of them would burn the country to the ground to enrich themselves or to stay out of prison. Donald Trump is a menace to the entire world.

Biden is a pansy. But he isn't the personification of pure evil. So voting for him is a no brainer for me.

 

[Sarah]

I remember sitting up when Obama was elected and it was (for us anyway) like an angel had fallen to Earth.

W the moron who led troops into an illegal war (which most people realised was illegal from the get go) was gone!!!! The delight was palpable.

And never in a million years did I think the little man who I bought a small stress doll of (simply so I could punch it's head in), who I thought I would be able to confront when he was campaigning in Boston in the hotel I was staying at (no chance obviously, secret service were everywhere!) and to whom I proudly wore my 'Big Donkey Problem!' t-shirt as I stood outside The Whitehouse in 2004 - would PALE in comparison to THIS, whatever he is......I would never have dreamed it. W made me SOOOOOOOOOOO angry.

Trump just makes me unbelievably sad

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

So, four more years of Trump, most likely; maybe, in those four years, Democrats can dig up a candidate who can reconcile the two sides of the Party and who isn't a dusty fossil.

The establishment Democrats are actually fine with Trump being reelected. Sure, they might prefer Joe Biden, but better a second term for Trump than Bernie Sanders in the White House where he might actually change things for the better.

The conflicts between the DNC and Trump, as they impeach him every 6 months (and for good reason) and Pelosi ripping up his State of the Union speech on live TV, is just political theater... The Democratic leaders quietly vote for all Trump's policies behind the scenes, because both parties are now corrupt corporatists, and are in the same billionaires' pockets.

Trump is more verbally vile, but Biden and Kamala have terrible records.

As AOC correctly pointed out recently, we only have a right and center-right in America. There is no genuine left wing.... Yes, we have social "woke" progressives (who tend to prefer establishment Democrats) but few economic progressives (which is what we need) like Bernie or Tulsi who are reviled by the DNC who accuse them of being Russian agents for good measure.

Obama seemed like he had a lot of promise, but he extended most of Dubya's policies despite having an all-Dem Congress during his first two years in office... Sure, he gave us Obamacare, which was a slight improvement, but the teeth of the bill were knocked-out by the Dems even more than the Republicans. And Obama allowed 5 million families to be evicted by the same banks that had just been bailed out in 2009.

When you look at the details, Obama isn't going to look too good from a historical perspective.

And, no, the reason Obama led to Trump is not just because the former was as black as the latter was orange. A lot of people who voted for Obama then flipped to Trump in 2016 because Obama didn't deliver -- even when it was politically feasible for him to do so. And a failed Biden presidency could lead to an even worse version of Trump in 2024.

I'm scared And I DO NOT understand why, if this man is the personification of evil that is portrayed in this part of the world, how he can possibly be re-elected?

Easily.

Yes, there are the nuttier but ubiquitous Trump supporters who don't know -- nor care -- about his policies, or how his policies screw them over. They just like the way he "seems", perceiving his vile insults as "honesty" and his mean-spiritedness as "strength" and a strength with which they'd like to be associated forever.

It's that dumb. And it's that self-destructive. And the attitude blankets this country from sea to plastic-plastered sea. Which says everything about the precipice upon which America teeters.

They'd back his nuking the world (with themselves in it) as long as some 'Hollywood libtards' were caught in the radioactive blast.

But, despicable as he is, Trump is more a symptom than a cause. A symptom of cultural collapse, to be sure. And the Dems helped create him, and will help to get him reelected, as much as the Republicans have done.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Bill Maher expressed similar concerns, telling Joy Reid he's "very nervous" about Biden's chances. That's what happens when you're light on policies and heavy on platitudes.

The DNC worked harder to sabotage Bernie Sanders than they ever have to defeat Trump. That tells me who they're more afraid of. In a rare moment of clarity, Trump actually acknowledged the DNC's sabotage of Sanders. Trump said he was glad Bernie lost the nomination because Bernie's base has much more enthusiasm than Biden's does.

And while the electoral college is indeed archaic, you can't campaign like it doesn't exist. For all of his hideous flaws, this is something Trump understood. That's why he went to the swing states and came out against the trade deals Hillary supported. It was a giant con, of course, but it was a great campaign strategy. Hillary, on the other hand, neglected those states while Chuck Schumer went on TV and said Hillary would pick up two moderate Republicans for every blue collar Democrat she lost. It was a giant middle finger to the working class in states that traditionally vote Democrat. IMO, Sanders had the best shot of winning those states precisely because of his economic populism.

Trump's campaign strategy is abysmal this time around, considering he's trying to tie Joe Biden to the "radical left." The entire GOP is pushing the idea that Biden's being controlled by "marxists." The Dem establishment warned that the GOP would use this line of attack if Sanders was the nominee. Apparently, they didn't count on the craven desperation of the GOP when it comes to lying their asses off. Republicans are terrible at reading the room, and don't seem to understand that socialism isn't the dirty word it once was. Especially as people continue losing their healthcare and jobs during the pandemic. Unfortunately, the Dems are so pathetic that they won't come to their aid either.

I also don't think there will ever be a Democratic candidate that can reconcile both sides of the party. One side caters exclusively to the needs of corporate America and the military industrial complex, while the progressive wing wants diplomacy and social democracy. Elizabeth Warren originally tried walking a fine line between the two sides, but ultimately decided to knife Bernie and back the neoliberals entirely. It turns out you can only serve one master, which is why I believe it's impossible to bridge the gap between progressives and neoliberals. That's why I broke away from the Democratic Party and became an Independent. I'm pledging my loyalty to policies from now on, not labels.

One of the most disappointing things about the Trump era to me is seeing how far people are willing to lower their standards. I remember when George W. Bush was reviled by the Democratic Party, and now he's a "resistance hero." Joe Biden is responsible for mass incarceration of black people, worked with segregationists, tried cutting entitlement programs, doesn't support single payer healthcare, supported the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, and yet people still say he's not a bad guy. He's literally a war criminal, but I digress. Pelosi didn't impeach Bush for war crimes because the Dems were complicit in them. It's all a charade. Like Biden said, "nothing will fundamentally change."

The Democrats have embraced Republicans in their ranks and at their convention. They don't want progressives in their coalition, so it's absurd they feel entitled to our vote.

 

[Crimson]

As AOC correctly pointed out recently, we only have a right and center-right in America.

Undoubtedly true, but I wonder if she followed that to its obvious root: America is an inherently conservative country. Not in the lunatic way of modern Conservatives, but in a don't like change kind of way.

 

[Frank Underwood]

IMO, It's more accurate to say that America's political institutions are inherently conservative, and have the power to crush progressives. Even the media's at their disposal.

It's all thanks to the corporate and militaristic capture of our government. Progressives like AOC were never meant to get in the club, and will always be viewed as interlopers.

Truth be told, AOC and Bernie Sanders represent the interests of the poor and working class far more than Joe Biden and the rest of the corporatist, neoliberal war hawks.

 

[Barbara Fan]

I still cant get over the fact that in a country the size of USA - that they are the best 2 candidates for the job with a combined age of about 350 years lol

Same goes 4 years ago with H Clinton (who i couldnt stand either) and Mr Trump

I feel i should dig out my 1980 JR for President T shirt AND sweatshirt!! Still in pristine conditon!!

 

[Crimson]

that they are the best 2 candidates for the job with a combined age of about 350 years lol

Putting aside even party affiliations and political ideologies, it will be a great relief when the Baby Boomers are finally out of it. I'm not wishing them to all be dead, mind you, just off the world stage.

 

[CeeCee72]

Undoubtedly true, but I wonder if she followed that to its obvious root: America is an inherently conservative country. Not in the lunatic way of modern Conservatives, but in a don't like change kind of way.

I feel like that's starting to change though. As generation z starts coming into their own, baby boomers start dying off, and the country becomes more diverse and less religious, we are moving more to the left. But it's a SLOW process. And it's painful - because you're right - the older folks do NOT want to change and they are kicking up quite a fuss.

 

[Crimson]

I feel like that's starting to change though. As generation z starts coming into their own, baby boomers start dying off,

Possibly, and hopefully -- but banking on young people is always risky. Funny thing about young people: one day they're not young anymore. Boomers went from Woodstock to Reagan in, what, 13 years?

 

[CeeCee72]

Possibly, and hopefully -- but banking on young people is always risky. Funny thing about young people: one day they're not young anymore. Boomers went from Woodstock to Reagan in, what, 13 years?

True. And as I see millennials hit their 40s, I can see them getting more conservative. But it's all about the money. I feel like at least we have a SHOT to have some social change. At this point, I'll take whatever I can get.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I feel like that's starting to change though. As generation z starts coming into their own, baby boomers start dying off, and the country becomes more diverse and less religious, we are moving more to the left. But it's a SLOW process. And it's painful - because you're right - the older folks do NOT want to change and they are kicking up quite a fuss.

Possibly, and hopefully -- but banking on young people is always risky. Funny thing about young people: one day they're not young anymore. Boomers went from Woodstock to Reagan in, what, 13 years?

It doesn't matter what the citizenry wants. Fascist corporate control of the parties today only allows for the rise of politicians who are in the oligarchs' pockets, so no genuinely progressive candidate can even get on the ballot, even if he/she has 99.9% support from the electorate.

Without a viable third party, the working class and their needs will remain permanently excluded from the process.

One man/one vote means nothing when the billionaires control all of your choices.

 

[Sarah]

Is it true that the media broadcasts only bad things about Trump?