People, Production, Writing That Took Away From "that Could Really Happen"

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yeah, I haven't been involved in anywhere near that kind of business, but I don't see how a powerhouse company like Ewing Oil wouldn't be able work out some kind of loan to cover that kind of cash need. I mean, if it came down to it and they really had trouble making payments, they could sell part of the Asian leases (or other ones) like JR did shortly before getting shot, right?

For that matter, did JR actually buy into those 'East Coast gas fields' he used as his alibi for dumping the Asian leases on the cartel boys? He must have, or else they'd have a ton of cash lying around, right, even after Bobby bought the refinery?

It's silly at best to try to get things to make sense with some of the 'business deal' writing!
Yep...suspending the disbelief and just enjoying it works for all of us.
 

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We're doing a re-watch now, and thought of this very thread:

After Clayton proposes to Miss Ellie (and she accepts), the two of them have a conversation where Clayton thinks they should buy a house off of Southfork and live there together.

These aren't teenage lovers, here. They are grown adults who have been married, had kids, and owned homes. Wouldn't they have discussed things like where they are going to live before becoming engaged?

I will say that the writers made up for this by having Clayton invite the boys (including Ray) to the Oil Barron's Club. He created a perfect balance of not quite asking permission to marry their mother, but allowing them to raise any objections first.

Kind of a private, "If anyone has reason that this marriage should not take place, let them speak now or forever hold their peace."
 
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We're doing a re-watch now, and thought of this very thread:

After Clayton proposes to Miss Ellie (and she accepts), the two of them have a conversation where Clayton thinks they should buy a house off of Southfork and live there together.

These aren't teenage lovers, here. They are grown adults who have been married, had kids, and owned homes. Wouldn't they have discussed things like where they are going to live before becoming engaged?

I will say that the writers made up for this by having Clayton invite the boys (including Ray) to the Oil Barron's Club. He created a perfect balance of not quite asking permission to marry their mother, but allowing them to raise any objections first.

Kind of a private, "If anyone has reason that this marriage should not take place, let them speak now or forever hold their peace."
Yeah....agreed. I've seen that a few times on the show. Guess it gives 'em somthin' to jaw about.
 

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Jock's office at Ewing Oil. Why did we see it just a couple of times? And if he kept his office there, why was Jock always working in JR's office, like during SF mortgage crisis? I don't ever remember seeing Jock enter or leave his own office.

When JR took the reigns at Ewing Oil, did Jock move out of the corner office and give it to JR? Could be a long-shot reason why Jock used JR's office. But, seems like JR revered Jock's office in awe as if it was where Jock built JR's revered Ewing Oil.

Also, it didn't look like there was that much room for Jock's office between Bobby's and JR's.
 

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And agreed. Interesting how there's always a parking spot at the front door to the Ewing Oil bldg. But course, they do own it.

And, that's One Main Place across the street, that held Cliff's OLM office.

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Well, the Wes Parmalee storyline for a start. Although I enjoyed the drama of it all, expecting us to believe that, no matter how much plastic surgery they had had, that a family would not know, or be sure, if they were talking to their father/husband or not. You'd just know if it was them or not. And the voice and the personality would still be the same and would be impossible to mistake. So that one really pushed it beyond the bounds of plausibility for me.
Absolutely! No matter how good the plastic surgeon is, how can a man who was burned over most of his body and his face burned off have no visible scars? JR and Bobby always knew Parmalee was an imposter, so Parmalee didn't fool everyone. Still, it was pretty ridiculous that Miss Ellie couldn't tell what he was.

Bob should have had Parmalee's plastic surgeon be Pam's surgeon. Then she wouldn't have been all scarred and ran away because she wasn't pretty anymore.
 
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And when he walks off the stage, Jeremy Wendell practically runs over to start doing business with him. Jeremy caught up to him before Wes even got completely off the stage!
Wendell didn't believe Parmalee was Jock. He did believe Parnalee would be be able to convince the courts he was legally Jock and that was enough for Wendell.. As log a he could get Parmalee to sell him Ewing Oil, that was enough for him. He even called him Mr Parmalee when they were in negotiations for the sale. Remember that?
 

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Jock's office at Ewing Oil. Why did we see it just a couple of times? And if he kept his office there, why was Jock always working in JR's office, like during SF mortgage crisis? I don't ever remember seeing Jock enter or leave his own office.

When JR took the reigns at Ewing Oil, did Jock move out of the corner office and give it to JR? Could be a long-shot reason why Jock used JR's office. But, seems like JR revered Jock's office in awe as if it was where Jock built JR's revered Ewing Oil.

Also, it didn't look like there was that much room for Jock's office between Bobby's and JR's.
Yes, I presumed that J.R. took over Jock's old office when Jock first retired, and the 2nd office that became Bobby's used to be J.R.'s when J.R. was working alongside Jock as Vice-President of Ewing Oil.
 

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Well, the Wes Parmalee storyline for a start. Although I enjoyed the drama of it all, expecting us to believe that, no matter how much plastic surgery they had had, that a family would not know, or be sure, if they were talking to their father/husband or not. You'd just know if it was them or not. And the voice and the personality would still be the same and would be impossible to mistake. So that one really pushed it beyond the bounds of plausibility for me.
Yes! How could you not recognize the person you were married to for 45 years? Granted, Miss Ellie was the only one who seemed genuinely confused, so maybe you could say it was because she was so emotional about it that the wasn't thinking rationally. Bobby and JR and Ray would have been thrilled to have found out their father was still alive, had it been true. The loved their dad. That they saw right through the con man gave the storyline at least some more credibility than it would have had if they had all been confused. That really would have been goofy.
 

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One of the issues I had when it first aired was about the Ewings having assets near the billion dollar mark , yet Jock's pulling $10mil caused so much trouble. No sale.

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Same thing I think happened to Cliff some time after Gold Canyon 340 came in. I think some one in production or writing fell asleep on the wheel.
Yes. I’ve brought that up before. Like when Bobby said “We only have one asset, Southfork.” If they owned the Ewing building, isn’t that an asset? Or did they even own it?
 

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Something that would be unlikely to really happen is for Booby have been put in the position of running Ewing Oil when JR got shot. Bobby didn't have the requisite management experience total on that job. He'd been a road man for Ewing Oil for most of his adult life and that's not a management position. Either Jock would have run Ewing Oil while JR was recuperating or they'd have had the next person below JR in management - their second highest level management executive. For Bobby to not only be out in that position but for him to then demand that Jock give him full control in writing (as if his own father's word wasn't good enough for him) really stretched credibility. If you had built that company and then your own son strongly implied he didn't trust your word (I want it in writing) then why would you trust him to run the company properly when he doesn't even trust you? If Bobby had filled in forJR, but under Jock's guidance,that would have been more believable. But then the story might not have been as good.

Then Rebecca gave Cliff a multi-hundred million dollar company to run, when he hadn't even been a businessman; he'd been a lawyer. It kind of makes it look like almost anyone can run a massive oil company.
 

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Something that would be unlikely to really happen is for Booby have been put in the position of running Ewing Oil when JR got shot. Bobby didn't have the requisite management experience total on that job. He'd been a road man for Ewing Oil for most of his adult life and that's not a management position. Either Jock would have run Ewing Oil while JR was recuperating or they'd have had the next person below JR in management - their second highest level management executive. For Bobby to not only be out in that position but for him to then demand that Jock give him full control in writing (as if his own father's word wasn't good enough for him) really stretched credibility. If you had built that company and then your own son strongly implied he didn't trust your word (I want it in writing) then why would you trust him to run the company properly when he doesn't even trust you? If Bobby had filled in forJR, but under Jock's guidance,that would have been more believable. But then the story might not have been as good.

Then Rebecca gave Cliff a multi-hundred million dollar company to run, when he hadn't even been a businessman; he'd been a lawyer. It kind of makes it look like almost anyone can run a massive oil company.
And you really think Jock would have had anyone other than a Ewing running Ewing Oil? Bobby might have been wet behind the ears, but he wasn’t a total novice to the runnings of Ewing Oil. He did have an office right next to JR’s and Jock’s.

As for Bobby wanting it down in writing from Jock, I really don’t think that was all that unusual and knowing what we know about JR and Jock, I would have done the same thing. He knew they didn’t respect him as a businessman. The way they both sabotaged him (JR purposely) proves that.

I agree with what you said about Rebecca giving Cliff the reigns to the Wentworth empire. Made for good TV, but it made no sense. Dallas seemed to had thought anybody could run billion dollar companies. At one time, wasn’t Michelle Stevens running Ewing Oil?
 

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[QUOTE="Billy Wall, post: 216238, member: 2943" At one time, wasn’t Michelle Stevens running Ewing Oil?[/QUOTE]

Yes, straight out of beauty school. :fp:
 

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And you really think Jock would have had anyone other than a Ewing running Ewing Oil? Bobby might have been wet behind the ears, but he wasn’t a total novice to the runnings of Ewing Oil. He did have an office right next to JR’s and Jock’s.

As for Bobby wanting it down in writing from Jock, I really don’t think that was all that unusual and knowing what we know about JR and Jock, I would have done the same thing. He knew they didn’t respect him as a businessman. The way they both sabotaged him (JR purposely) proves that.

I agree with what you said about Rebecca giving Cliff the reigns to the Wentworth empire. Made for good TV, but it made no sense. Dallas seemed to had thought anybody could run billion dollar companies. At one time, wasn’t Michelle Stevens running Ewing Oil?
Would I expect it in Dallas? No. In keeping with the topic of the thread though, "what would really happen", I don't see a man who has spent his life building an empire from the ground up entrusting the son of his that has worked in management for only about enough time for a cup of coffee, to have free reign in deciding how his company is run. That Bobby asked for that free reign "in writing" would immediately raise a red flag. I'd expect Jock to say: "In writing? Are you tellin' me my word ain't good enough for you, boy"? You said you'd do it as a favor. Well I sure as hell don't need this kind of favor"!
 

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You all bring up excellent points! For me, the one that always got me was how lazy the writers were, as evident in the repeat basic storylines: one sister-in-law (Sue Ellen) is having an affair with a man presumed to die in a plane crash.... couple years later, basically same thing happens to the other sister-in-law (Pam).... one sister-in-law (Sue Ellen) has a psychotic sister intent on murder... so does the other (Pam) a few years later.... Oh, wait! We like this trope so much, let's make Clayton's sister a psychotic murderess, too!!! It's just all so sloppy and lazy, looking back on it.
 

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You all bring up excellent points! For me, the one that always got me was how lazy the writers were, as evident in the repeat basic storylines: one sister-in-law (Sue Ellen) is having an affair with a man presumed to die in a plane crash.... couple years later, basically same thing happens to the other sister-in-law (Pam).... one sister-in-law (Sue Ellen) has a psychotic sister intent on murder... so does the other (Pam) a few years later.... Oh, wait! We like this trope so much, let's make Clayton's sister a psychotic murderess, too!!! It's just all so sloppy and lazy, looking back on it.
Indeed. As I’ve said before, Dallas had a surfeit of deranged femme fatales....all the way up to the end with Sheila Foley. It’s a trope they come back to time and again.
 

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Indeed. As I’ve said before, Dallas had a surfeit of deranged femme fatales....all the way up to the end with Sheila Foley. It’s a trope they come back to time and again.
How did the other nighttime soaps compare to Dallas in that regard? Did they also have mentally unstable and/or violent women?

Did you notice that was something Dallas did far more when they moved away from the gritty modern day western style and towards the glossy soap opera style? In the first 5 years of the show, they had one violent woman in Kristin but only one in over 100 episodes of TV isn't a whole lot.

Of all the violent women in Dallas, Kristin was probably the least mentally untable. She was angry at JR for not following through on his promise to divorce Sue Ellen and marry Kristin. Anyone who would try to commit murder over that has some mental health issues, but she wasn't nearly the deranged, delusional type of character that Katherine Wentworth, Jessica Montford, Sheila Foley or the woman who stabbed Ray were.

Their two most watched seasons were seasons 4 and 5 (DVD count). Isn't it weird that the more viewers they lost, they harder they tried to get away from the style that had led to their biggest successes? Their answer to losing viewers was to keep utilizing increasingly over the top storylines!
 
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