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I wish we could get tested that easily for the Corona virus.:( But Sweden doesn't test you unless you need hospital care or work with in a nursing home or hospital or something like that.

Good that you don't have the Corona virus btw.
 

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They're still diagnosing cases (maybe 9-12 per day) in our particular county, but it's starting to bug me that the local news only reports the total number of cases since late February. Yes, we've had 330 or 335 positive diagnoses and four deaths....but if they would subtract the number of people who were asymptomatic and those who were declared virus-free after fighting it off, we'd have a much more accurate idea of what we're up against. They just keep adding to the number, making it seem like infections are piling up without anyone actually recovering. They report it as if ~335 are currently battling Covid-19, when I'd think it's more like 125 or even less currently ill or somewhat contagious.
At least they could report the ratio of negative test results to positive, which would really help people grasp that a lot more people have been given good news rather than bad.
I'm not going to call it blatant fear-mongering, but...well, it's pretty close.
 

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The figure I wait for is the number of new cases in my state (Victoria). That's the one which really tells you if things are improving or at least stabilising.
 

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Our government are still trying to create a perception that the UK are doing comparably well with the rest of Europe regarding how we have handled the Covid-19 crisis. We in fact we have been the worst and now have the same death toll as 40 European nations combined.

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This just proves again that Sweden's strategy is not a good one. I mean Australia has a population of 25 million people and has 100 corona deaths.

Sweden has a population of 10 million people and have at least 2500 dead if it wasn't up to 3700 even. So something is not right here! :(

Greece has the same population as Sweden and Athens is a lot denser than Stockholm, and yet Greece only had
2,892 cases and 173 dead as opposed to Sweden's 34,440 and 4,125 (as of today 5/26). And Sweden's death rate looks like it is more than double among the cases. Even if you compare Sweden to neighboring Norway, which does have half the population, it has 8,374 cases and 235 dead.

But I must say, many of us (myself included) have been wrong about SARS-COV-2 before. At this particular moment in time, Sweden looks to be completely and utterly wrong. But this is marathon, not a race. What happens if/when countries that imposed a lock-down have to do it again for a second time? (FYI we are still in lock-down in NYC.) All these other countries will face serious quarantine fatigue which Sweden has not had to face. And there are already so many nuts saying this is a conspiracy for a gazillion different reasons. I think maybe in 2021 if, hopefully, there is vaccine and the pandemic is finally over, we will be able to determine the right approach on this.
 

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Greece has the same population as Sweden and Athens is a lot denser than Stockholm, and yet Greece only had
2,892 cases and 173 dead as opposed to Sweden's 34,440 and 4,125 (as of today 5/26). And Sweden's death rate looks like it is more than double among the cases. Even if you compare Sweden to neighboring Norway, which does have half the population, it has 8,374 cases and 235 dead.

But I must say, many of us (myself included) have been wrong about SARS-COV-2 before. At this particular moment in time, Sweden looks to be completely and utterly wrong. But this is marathon, not a race. What happens if/when countries that imposed a lock-down have to do it again for a second time? (FYI we are still in lock-down in NYC.) All these other countries will face serious quarantine fatigue which Sweden has not had to face. And there are already so many nuts saying this is a conspiracy for a gazillion different reasons. I think maybe in 2021 if, hopefully, there is vaccine and the pandemic is finally over, we will be able to determine the right approach on this.
Sweden has a high proportion of young people who live alone and multi-generational families living together is not common. As a result, Sweden is more suited to it's non-lockdown approach than many other countries would be because research elsewhere has shown that people are most likely get infected from someone in their household. So although not locking down is a strategy that some argue will work for Sweden it wouldn't be appropriate for other countries. However, as you point out, when you compare death rates in Sweden with those in Norway, it's increasingly difficult to argue that the Swedish approach is the correct one.
 

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I think, at this time especially, more emphasis needs to be placed on listening to your OWN LOCAL NEWS, especially in the UK. Too many people in NI seem to be listening to the national news advice which at this time is for England only. It’s confusing and needs to be addressed, especially as I hear more and more talk of people in NI attempting to cross borders into Scotland and ROI.
 

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I think, at this time especially, more emphasis needs to be placed on listening to your OWN LOCAL NEWS, especially in the UK. Too many people in NI seem to be listening to the national news advice which at this time is for England only. It’s confusing and needs to be addressed, especially as I hear more and more talk of people in NI attempting to cross borders into Scotland and ROI.
Yesterday for the first time since this crisis started Northern Ireland reported no deaths from Covid-19 according to official government figures (which are inaccurate and understate the true number as shown by excess deaths data). However, it's still a very good sign. Northern Ireland sensibly still want to move out of lockdown more cautiously than England.

You are right, people need to listen to their local instructions and not UK-wide ones. In England, Johnson announced a whole batch of lockdown relaxations purely to distract from the Cummings scandal. The Tory government's approach has always been to manage their reputation rather than managing the virus.
 

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We’re sick of it here. As if it wasn’t needed before, it shows such a need for NI to take control of our own destiny now.

But that would involve Arlene taking her head out of the Prime Minister’s ass.
 

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We’re sick of it here. As if it wasn’t needed before, it shows such a need for NI to take control of our own destiny now.

But that would involve Arlene taking her head out of the Prime Minister’s ass.
I think Mary Lou McDonald was right when she said that Covid-19 is more likely to unite Ireland. The fact that Northern Ireland and taking a different approach to relaxing the lockdown rules to England further weakens the ties with the mainland. The fact the the Republic has handled the crisis far better than the United Kingdom can only make the prospect of a united Ireland a more attractive.

Boris Johnson's disastrous leadership over Brexit and now Covid-19 has done more to make a united Ireland possible than anything that the IRA tried to achieve with their bombing campaign.
 

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I think Mary Lou McDonald was right when she said that Covid-19 is more likely to unite Ireland. The fact that Northern Ireland and taking a different approach to relaxing the lockdown rules to England further weakens the ties with the mainland. The fact the the Republic has handled the crisis far better than the United Kingdom can only make the prospect of a united Ireland a more attractive.

Boris Johnson's disastrous leadership over Brexit and now Covid-19 has done more to make a united Ireland possible than anything that the IRA tried to achieve with their bombing campaign.

I truly hope so Angela, however I'm sure that a united Ireland would have many consequences too, and would fear a reigniting of our Troubles.
 

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My ward is now Covid free, ie no new cases, people may still test +ve after 3 weeks but are asymptomatic!! And they think it may remauin in the system for a few months
its good news.

Still have to wear PPE and to be honest I wouldnt feel safe without wearing it now, have got used to it all and if it protects me and patients then so be it.
 

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My ward is now Covid free, ie no new cases, people may still test +ve after 3 weeks but are asymptomatic!! And they think it may remauin in the system for a few months
its good news.

Still have to wear PPE and to be honest I wouldnt feel safe without wearing it now, have got used to it all and if it protects me and patients then so be it.
That must be a relief for everyone there.
 

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Sadly elsewhere in Scotland, they moved patients from single rooms in one hospital to another hospital and to treat in 4 or 6 bedded bays and a lot of patients have died (more than 25)

So thats hitting the headlines here and a lot of families are understandably very angry over the mis management of patients and our useless SNP Minister for Health (Who knows how she is in the job with all that has gone wrong in the past 5 years in NHS in Scotland) says
she did “not have the exact number in terms of the number of wards that were closed across all hospital settings” –
 

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Sadly elsewhere in Scotland, they moved patients from single rooms in one hospital to another hospital and to treat in 4 or 6 bedded bays and a lot of patients have died (more than 25)

So thats hitting the headlines here and a lot of families are understandably very angry over the mis management of patients and our useless SNP Minister for Health (Who knows how she is in the job with all that has gone wrong in the past 5 years in NHS in Scotland) says
she did “not have the exact number in terms of the number of wards that were closed across all hospital settings” –
Although there has rightly been a lot of criticism of how Boris Johnson and the Tories have handled the Covid-19 crisis, Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP have made catastrophic errors which has almost certainly added to the number of deaths.
 

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Scientists: 789 dead from Coronavirus in the last 48 hours in the UK.
Boris Johnson: Let's open up schools and relax the lockdown further.

Scientists: The UK has suffered the highest rate of deaths per million people from the Covid-19 pandemic of any country according to excess mortality figures.
Boris Johnson: Let's open up schools and relax the lockdown further.

Scientists: R (virus reproduction rate) is currently 0.7 to 0.9 but we need to keep it below 1 to stop the virus spreading again. Opening schools will increase R by around 0.2.
Boris Johnson: Let's open up schools and relax the lockdown further.

Scientists: It is not safe to start reopening schools next week as it risks a new surge of cases of Covid-19 in some communities.
Boris Johnson: Let's open up schools and relax the lockdown further.
 
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The R (reproduction) number for the virus is still close to 1 in the UK. Across the Irish Sea, it’s between 0.4 and 0.5 - half our rate - and yet Ireland is unlocking a lot more slowly than we are. Is Johnson so desperate to change the story from Cummings that he doesn’t care about a second spike in the UK.
 

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ya know this pandemic is going to i think going to go into the fall and i say that because people have lost their shit, that Gentlemen who was murdered by that cop who should rot in jail.

and i get why people are angry and i agree that kind of crap should have ended years ago that's not a question but a fact it's 2020 yet it feels like it's (1965) again even though i wasn't around back than. people are losing their shit and forgetting that there's a pandemic going on and they should stop the violence and go home to be with their family's. ya know i'm 41 and i don't even remember in my life time it getting this bad, i think someone online compared it to Kent State in (1970) which is 50 years ago this year apparently. anyways i wasn't around back than but we need to find a safer way to handle to voice our concerns.

we've now had over 100,000 deaths in the states due to the virus and it's not gonna slow down at all but get a billion times worse with all these riots in various cities. i live in the country so i'm thankful that so far they haven't done that here at least not that i'm aware of. i'm one of the lucky ones i suppose
 

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ya know this pandemic is going to i think going to go into the fall and i say that because people have lost their shit, that Gentlemen who was murdered by that cop who should rot in jail.

and i get why people are angry and i agree that kind of crap should have ended years ago that's not a question but a fact it's 2020 yet it feels like it's (1965) again even though i wasn't around back than. people are losing their shit and forgetting that there's a pandemic going on and they should stop the violence and go home to be with their family's. ya know i'm 41 and i don't even remember in my life time it getting this bad, i think someone online compared it to Kent State in (1970) which is 50 years ago this year apparently. anyways i wasn't around back than but we need to find a safer way to handle to voice our concerns.

we've now had over 100,000 deaths in the states due to the virus and it's not gonna slow down at all but get a billion times worse with all these riots in various cities. i live in the country so i'm thankful that so far they haven't done that here at least not that i'm aware of. i'm one of the lucky ones i suppose
That's why the police need to stop killing black people.

If you're a young black person in the USA you are probably at a greater risk of being unfairly treated by the criminal justice system and facing racial discrimination in your life and than you are of dying of Covid-19. That's why people are protesting even though there is a risk of spreading Covid-19.
 

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The R (reproduction) number for the virus is still close to 1 in the UK. Across the Irish Sea, it’s between 0.4 and 0.5 - half our rate - and yet Ireland is unlocking a lot more slowly than we are. Is Johnson so desperate to change the story from Cummings that he doesn’t care about a second spike in the UK.

This all just goes to prove that we do NOT live in a United Kingdom. I'm getting so frustrated by how the government is running things. In Wales, any number of people from 2 different households can meet. ANY number. In NI it's only 6.

There is going to be a second wave of this if we aren't given more clear direction. Sadly as Dominic Cummings got away with what he did, people are now trying to do the same.
 
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