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I do agree with this, I guess I just needed some validation on it. He really doesn't seem to understand the implications to OTHER people, not just himself. Case in point is bringing a whole load of people from different areas together for dinner. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being stupid about it. Thanks @Alexis
 

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We (in Northern Ieland are now having restrictions imposed on postcodes. It's madness.
There was some talk of that happening here. I live quite close to a postcode boundary and a hard border would have meant I couldn't go to my usual supermarket on the other side. Fortunately they simply imposed the 5km limit instead.
 

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Florida imposed this multi-stage "re-opening" scheme early in the lockdown, and all but three counties (all to my south) are mostly back to regular business because the case numbers are down (below 5% of those tested). Individual businesses have some self-imposed restrictions (like a restaurant choosing to continue takeout-only even if the county says you can re-open the dining room), but the Dirty Little Secret is that a lot of that isn't directly because of Covid, but because they aren't currently able to re-staff to pre-Covid levels. Some have lost a lot of money and can't afford to hire more people. Others say they list jobs and people simply aren't applying for whatever reason (my guess--they aren't offering enough money). So where I am is much more "recognizable" than even a month ago, but not really back to normal. Masks are still the Ultimate Fashion Accessory, though I think people are getting lax on the social distancing aspect. I'm beginning to think that many people will just wear masks when out in public from now on, Covid or not, since everyone has been so thoroughly spooked by this.

Publix supermarkets (which blanket the state) elected to remove the directional arrows from the floors of the aisles two weeks ago, and people took it as a sign from heaven that things were getting better. Leave it to Publix to show us the light at the end of the tunnel.

The county has offered parents three options for schooling--in-person, at-home, and a hybrid system. A friend who works at one of our high schools said about two-thirds chose in-person instruction, and after a month or so the kids are kind of accustomed to all the precautions. Meanwhile, the next county south hasn't even started school yet because their officials can't agree on...well, anything. But the three counties to the south are always going to be a few steps behind the rest of us.
 
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The big problem is that the powers that be, whether governments, Councils etc etc have a delicately balanced situation where they say that safety is the most important criteria in all this but, on the other hand, society starts to disintegrate when businesses close, the economy becomes stagnant and people no longer have jobs to go to. People like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson do not do a very convincing job of hiding the fact that they far more concerned about the economy than the lives of the people in their respective countries. A disgusting and invidious situation that shows no sign of changing.
 

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We are having a constant war of words between our Prime Minister who wants to open up the country, and the state Premiers who are each concerned about the keeping their respective borders secure. The PM of course has rightly closed our international borders but sees no hypocrisy in attempting to argue against the states applying the same principle until there is some equivalence in case numbers.
 

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People like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson do not do a very convincing job of hiding the fact that they far more concerned about the economy than the lives of the people in their respective countries.

Probably why Trump insists not just on holding rallies all the time, but letting those at those rallies not wear masks and not socially distance-- he seems to want the curve to stay sky-high and never come down.
 

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Governor DeSantis just ruled that all the forced closures of businesses in the state of Florida have been lifted. In other words, the state cannot prohibit any business in the state from operating. It will be up to the individual business owners to re-open with the necessary strategies of social distancing, masks, disinfecting, etc., and of course they can stay closed down if they like--there just won't be some faraway bureaucrats telling them they CAN'T open no matter how many precautions they take. It's a step in the right direction toward getting back to normal, thank goodness.
 

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With the case number continuing to fall, there has been some loosening of restrictions in Melbourne (the regional areas are already under fewer restrictions than the city), mainly for business and trades people.

The 5km travel rule still applies but the controversial nighttime curfew has been lifted, although in my view it was always more symbolic than anything else, given that everything is closed anyway.
 

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With the case number continuing to fall, there has been some loosening of restrictions in Melbourne (the regional areas are already under fewer restrictions than the city), mainly for business and trades people.

The 5km travel rule still applies but the controversial nighttime curfew has been lifted, although in my view it was always more symbolic than anything else, given that everything is closed anyway.

And at the Wal-Mart in Simpsonville, you still have to wear a mask, but the directional arrows have been removed; you can go any way you want now.
 

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Very few people were following the directional arrows on the floor at the two WalMarts near me anyway, so when they pulled up the floor decals I doubt anyone noticed. The local HomeGoods store placed similar arrows on their floors, but the layout of the store (lots of short aisles with intersecting open areas) made the place a maze with arrows pointing at each other in many places. I expect they will go away soon enough.
 

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Very few people were following the directional arrows on the floor at the two WalMarts near me anyway, so when they pulled up the floor decals I doubt anyone noticed.

I tried to follow the arrows at the Wal-Mart in my area, but the concept smacked of Chicago stockyards to me.
 

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The good thing is, Biden and his wife do not (thankfully).
 

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:scream:If one more local person asks one of our politicians why the cases in NI are rising so rapidly I swear I'm going to lose it @Alexis. Likewise if I hear 'oh we can't enforce this...'. GROW A PAIR.

It's more than obvious to me why. In one breath they are saying lock down, and in the next they are saying 'if you are getting on a flight', not policing ANYONE returning to see if they are quarantining and basically not enforcing anything. Absolutely unbelievable. People are going to Dublin to fly on holiday because Ireland isn't yet on the quarantine returning list and then coming to the North, bringing infection with them. They think they are being clever and avoiding the quarantine by skipping over the border. :pray:
 
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:scream:If one more local person asks one of our politicians why the cases in NI are rising so rapidly I swear I'm going to lose it @Alexis. Likewise if I hear 'oh we can't enforce this...'. GROW A PAIR.

It's more than obvious to me why. In one breath they are saying lock down, and in the next they are saying 'if you are getting on a flight', not policing ANYONE returning to see if they are quarantining and basically not enforcing anything. Absolutely unbelievable. People are going to Dublin to fly on holiday because Ireland isn't yet on the quarantine returning list and then coming to the North, bringing infection with them. They think they are being clever and avoiding the quarantine by skipping over the border. :pray:
It's madness. My brother works for the Trust here and was sent home from work to isolate until the 15th because he worked with a girl last week who has tested positive. He asked could he just go and get tested now and was told no, he has to isolate and only get tested if he has symptoms. Surely it would be better to test him and then have him back at work if he is negative. I don't understand anyone's logic. I am glad I am tested every 14 days!
I also think everyone should get the flu vaccine if they can as soon as possible. Things are only going to get worse and people need to protect themselves and others.
 

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well Welcome to Heil Sturgeon and our new mad lockdown regulations announced yesterday but start at 6pm tomorrow

Well done Wee Jimmy Krankie for killing of the hospitality trade in the Central belt, just as many were starting to get back on their feet and have done a lot to make their restaurants a safe place to visit

I feel so sad for them and its cruel, and many businesses wont recover . this is a disease we are going to have to live with, we cant shut up shop forever -

and id like to slap every teenager i have seen on a train in past 2 weekends, not wearing a mask and not giving a stuff either and all the students congregating in the West end and not caring a jot!


The Scottish government has toughened coronavirus restrictions further in a bid to slow the spread of the virus.

New rules have been introduced for the hospitality sector, with the tightest restrictions set to affect 3.4 million people living in the central belt.

So what are the new measures - and where do they apply?

What are the rules for pubs and restaurants?
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All pubs and restaurants in the central belt will have to close, both indoors and outdoors, from 18:00 on Friday.

The stricter restrictions will apply in the Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Lanarkshire, Ayrshire and Arran, Lothian and Forth Valley health board areas.

Licensed premises will have to close until 25 October, although they can still serve takeaways.

Cafes which do not serve alcohol can stay open until 18:00.

Pubs, bars, restaurants and cafes in the rest of Scotland will not be allowed to serve alcohol indoors. They can only open between 06:00 and 18:00 for food and non-alcoholic drinks.

Licensed premises away from the central belt can continue to serve alcohol outdoors until the 22:00 curfew which was introduced last month.

Hotels across Scotland can serve evening meals to residents but without alcohol.

Alcohol can still be served at weddings and funerals, which are limited to a maximum of 20 people and can only take place in regulated premises.

The existing rules state that a maximum of six people from two households can meet together in hospitality venues, either indoors or outdoors.

Customers have to provide their contact details in case contact tracers need to reach them, and must wear face coverings while moving around and when not eating or drinking.

It is mandatory for staff to wear face coverings, and there can only be table service.

What else is changing in the central belt?

Snooker and pool halls, indoor bowling alleys, casinos and bingo halls in the five health board areas will have to close for two weeks from 10 October, and outdoor live events will be banned.

Contact sports and training for those aged 18 and over will be suspended for the same period, although professional sports can continue.

Gyms can remain open for individual exercise but indoor group exercise activities will not be allowed - with an exemption for under-18s.

People are being asked to avoid public transport unless it is absolutely necessary, such as for travelling to school or work.

And they are also being advised not to travel outside their own health board area if they do not need to.

What else is changing?

From this weekend onwards, shops are being asked to reintroduce two metre physical distancing rules and reintroduce some measures which had been taken earlier in the pandemic, such as one-way systems in supermarkets.

The use of face coverings will become mandatory in indoor communal settings, such as staff canteens and corridors in workplaces.

Face coverings are already compulsory in shops and on buses, trains, trams, planes and taxis.

People are also being advised not to share a vehicle with another household. Where you have no other option, the advice is to keep windows open, wear a face covering and sit as far apart as possible.

The Scottish government said it was not imposing mandatory travel restrictions at this stage, and was not insisting that people cancel their half term breaks.

However, people in other parts of the country are being asked not to visit the parts of the central belt covered by the tighter restrictions.

The Scottish government also advises against non-essential foreign travel.

Can I visit my friends and family at home?

People have been banned from visiting other households indoors since 25 September, when a restriction which already covered 1.75 million people in the west of Scotland was extended to the whole country.

There are exemptions for those who have formed extended households, to support informal childcare arrangements (such as grandparents coming round to care for grandchildren) and for couples who don't live together.

There is also an exception allowing tradespeople to enter your home to carry out work.

Children under the age of 12 are exempt from the limits on the number of people who can gather outdoors, and on the number of households.

Those aged between 12 and 17 are allowed to meet outside in groups of up to six from six different households, but should observe physical distancing.

Police have powers to break up groups of more than 15 people meeting in houses and to stop parties in student accommodation.

Over the summer it had been possible for eight people from three different households to meet indoors, and for up to 15 people from five different households to meet outdoors.

However, the limit was reduced to a maximum of six people from two households - either indoors or outdoors - from 14 September.

This rule still applies outdoors (including in private gardens) and in hospitality venues.
 
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