The Steven Carrington Institute for the Treatment & Study of Faggotry!

[Willie Oleson]

But would it not upstage Joel & Rita's impostor scheme?

 

[Ked]

But would it not upstage Joel & Rita's impostor scheme?

Or upstage Fallon's own return?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

But would it not upstage Joel & Rita's impostor scheme?

Rita would be in the mansion for only 3 or4 episodes, tops, mid-season while Alexis is on the throne of Moldavia.

I really want Adam involved as an accessory after-the-fact in some way regarding Krystle's kidnapping.

Or upstage Fallon's own return?

In my Dynastic world, that didn't happen for two years. Emma Samms needed to be a Fallmont or something. Recasting Fallon defeats the purpose.

 

[Ked]

Rita would be in the mansion for only 3 or4 episodes, tops, mid-season while Alexis is on the throne of Moldavia.

I really want Adam involved as an accessory after-the-fact in some way regarding Krystle's kidnapping.

Okay, I can get behind Rita being Krystle for 4 episodes, and of course I like the idea of Adam being involved in that storyline... except I'd rather have King Galen dead from the Massacre and pretty much drop Moldavia. The only thing left from that country would be Michael, who becomes delusional at the idea of taking his homeland back, despite everyone telling him that his people have rejected the monarchy - and therefore, him.

Besides, I'd have Rita be far more b*tchy and manipulative than Alexis, thus Linda would get to play the "evil" one for a change.

In my Dynastic world, that didn't happen for two years. Emma Samms needed to be a Fallmont or something. Recasting Fallon defeats the purpose.

Nooo, I don't wanna wait 2 years for Fallon to come back!

But as for Emma Samms, I still say cast her as the daughter of Caress Morrell and Ben Carrington - thus negating any need for Leslie/Terri Garber.

 

[colbyco]

It´s maybe the most powerful, the most real scene the show ever had. Both actors play it perfect. Blake the uncomfortable father who didn´t want this "desease" to come home but still loves his son. Steven the hurted son ...

Pressure from ABC to straighten Steven out was mostly in the early-'80s, but had eventually relaxed a bit (hence, the semi-romance between Steven and Luke). The sexual ambiguity of Steven later on was due to a writing staff who didn't know what to do with Steven and a top producer, Spelling, who was as afraid of it as the network had originally been.

- The writers originally planned Steven & Bart moving together with Danny - but ABC was afraid of this storyline because of Aids and the viewers reactions to it

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

- The writers originally planned Steven & Bart moving together with Danny - but ABC was afraid of this storyline because of Aids and the viewers reactions to it

Yes, I'm sure the network freaked over two guys living together with a boy.

But by 1989, ABC's THIRTYSOMETHING showed two men in bed post-coitally, so the network was relaxing somewhat.

 

[Ked]

- The writers originally planned Steven & Bart moving together with Danny - but ABC was afraid of this storyline because of Aids and the viewers reactions to it

Yes, I'm sure the network freaked over two guys living together with a boy.

Although I read that while Steven planned on moving in with Bart, something happened to where Adam betrayed/sabotaged them, so that Bart ended up leaving Steven, who in turn swore revenge on his brother. That would have been pretty interesting to see.

But by 1989, ABC's THIRTYSOMETHING showed two men in bed post-coitally, so the network was relaxing somewhat.

Oh? So if Steven had stuck around for Season 9...

 

[colbyco]

Although I read that while Steven planned on moving in with Bart, something happened to where Adam betrayed/sabotaged them, so that Bart ended up leaving Steven, who in turn swore revenge on his brother. That would have been pretty interesting to see.

Oh? So if Steven had stuck around for Season 9...

- Would have been nice to see how Paulsen would have dealt with his character ...

 

[Michael Torrance]

Good question. It would be all gay Wes Parmalee.

See, you keep wanting Krystle to be psychic, but it was obviously Pam Ewing with her amazing powers of prediction in her dreams.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

"... just don't bring it home with you..."

Palm trees in the Dakotas!

 

[Willie Oleson]

His name should have been Kennedy.

Alexis in court: wasn't one Kennedy enough for you, Blake?
Objection!

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

See, you keep wanting Krystle to be psychic, but it was obviously Pam Ewing with her amazing powers of prediction in her dreams.

Actually, the tabloids were circulating a story in Spring 1983 that the car accident which paralyzed Mickey was planned to involve Pam and Christopher (the little tyke would die, the ultimate victim of the battle over Jock's will) and that Pam would develop psychic powers as the result of the head injuries.

We laughed, and weren't entirely sure the report was wrong.

 

[Mustard]

It's no secret Coleman was uncomfortable, embarrassed playing a gay guy -- even Nolan Miller mentioned this in one of his interviews. Coleman himself has since admitted he had "issues" at the time, and there was a tendency for him in public to go, "Look, here's my girlfriend. See??" (Funny, because Steven did essentially the same thing).

Frustrating, since Al Corley was fired for wanting to keep Steven gay.

Al Corley actually quit. He didn't like the scripts for Steven in Season 2, nor how Steven had become with the writing of his sexuality, that he couldn't show affection for male characters on screen, Steven's odd car driving ambitions and that "Steven has no fun".

Gordon Thomson was closeted at the time playing a casual homophobe in Adam, casually saying things to Steven like "You and that little fag that you've been playing with" about Luke, yet I never sensed any hate with Adam about gays, unlike with Blake at times. It was just expediency with Adam to rile Steven, and what he later did to Bart Fallmont. Adam's outlook would have been "It's not my fault if this society is so bigoted that revealing the truth about Bart Fallmont ends his US Senate bid, but revealing it achieved the business aim that we wanted".

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Al Corley actually quit. He didn't like the scripts for Steven in Season 2, nor how Steven had become with the writing of his sexuality, that he couldn't show affection for male characters on screen, Steven's odd car driving ambitions and that "Steven has no fun".

Gordon Thomson was closeted at the time playing a casual homophobe in Adam, casually saying things to Steven like "You and that little fag that you've been playing with" about Luke, yet I never sensed any hate with Adam about gays, unlike with Blake at times. It was just expediency with Adam to rile Steven, and what he later did to Bart Fallmont. Adam's outlook would have been "It's not my fault if this society is so bigoted that revealing the truth about Bart Fallmont ends his US Senate bid, but revealing it achieved the business aim that we wanted".

It was apparently a "you can't quit; you're fired" scenario. (Like Kate Jackson). Corley wanted to leave for the reasons you mention, and Doug Cramer started screaming at him.

The DYNASTY producers, perhaps defensively, seemed to take it personally when an actor wanted to leave. Apparently, they were furious when Terri Garber announced she wanted go -- but why would they care? Did they really have any plans for her pointless character, Leslie, that made her exit so disastrous for the series?

I always had the instinct that the incessant re-casting of the grown Carrington children was more malicious (and to prove they "could") in a strange way than due to a valid need to keep the character active. And it still hits me the same way. Doug Cramer's vindictive comments years later about "no one remembers" PSM or Corley speaks to that likely malice.

Of course, nuDYNASTY had 17 Cristols.

 

[Richard Channing]

Actually, the tabloids were circulating a story in Spring 1983 that the car accident which paralyzed Mickey was planned to involve Pam and Christopher (the little tyke would die, the ultimate victim of the battle over Jock's will) and that Pam would develop psychic powers as the result of the head injuries.

We laughed, and weren't entirely sure the report was wrong.

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Not sure about the psychic part but I actually kinda love the idea of Christopher being killed in the car crash. How shocking and sensational would that have been?! Not just from a story point of view but to kill off a toddler would be something nobody would be expecting. And of course the fall out would have been spectacular.
They could always adopt a Christopher 2.0 on down the line when they got back together. Although granted, shared custody of Christopher was a good way to keep the characters interacting in the following season.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Not sure about the psychic part but I actually kinda love the idea of Christopher being killed in the car crash. How shocking and sensational would that have been?! Not just from a story point of view but to kill off a toddler would be something nobody would be expecting. And of course the fall out would have been spectacular.
They could always adopt a Christopher 2.0 on down the line when they got back together. Although granted, shared custody of Christopher was a good way to keep the characters interacting in the following season.

Yeah, I'd save the psychic power for Krystle after her car wreck in Season 7. And Adriana in Rome. Blake's seer, Dehner, who looked like Joseph's brother. Or whomever Pam's Season 8 clairvoyant was.

If the original plans really were to have little Christopher expire, they were abandoned due to fear of audience backlash.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Not sure about the psychic part but I actually kinda love the idea of Christopher being killed in the car crash. How shocking and sensational would that have been?! Not just from a story point of view but to kill off a toddler would be something nobody would be expecting. And of course the fall out would have been spectacular.
They could always adopt a Christopher 2.0 on down the line when they got back together. Although granted, shared custody of Christopher was a good way to keep the characters interacting in the following season.

I would've hated that.

It would've been in incredibly poor taste to kill off a toddler like that, controversial too which is probably why they pulled it.

I like Mickey's storyline. It was tragic but very powerful to watch.