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What I find puzzling is the ferocity of British public's reaction to Harry and Meghan compared with how it is reacting to Prince Andrew.
It's not really that puzzling.

There hasn't been a 6-hour Netflix documentary on Andrew, nor has they been, interview after interview and I'm sure Andrew hasn't written a tell-all book about how he was wronged by the family.

I'm not saying what Andrew did isn't up for discussion, I'm suggesting that the reason more people are talking/debating about Harry & Meghan is because of how much Harry and Meghan are controlling, the media and public eye right now. Surely you see that, right?
 

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Why? Because of something that happened over 50 years ago? Back when being gay was a crime and people were jailed?

We know about history and we know how bad it was in many areas, and you can believe what you want to think from what the media print, but here's a question I'm curious about your opinion. Do you think people can change? do you believe people are more educated today or do you think Prince George is racist because of his family history?
Yes and also because the Royal Family have never acknowledged that it was wrong to ban black people nor have they apologised for it.

But it's more than that, they have a long history of racism from the Queen Mother teaching Elizabeth II to do Nazi salutes to Princess Michael of Kent wearing a racist a blackamoor brooch when she first met Meghan Markle. The current royal family still profits from the slave trade through its untaxed inheritances and riches stolen from Empire countries that are still in their possession. So it's not just what happened 50 years ago, it's what they are doing today.

I think the King is probably one of the least racist Royals but even he chooses to turn a blind eye to racism. A secretary at his Highgrove home, was forced to leave her job because of the racism she experienced there. She said "They wanted a white face at Highgrove and I was not that face. In the Prince of Wales's household there is still very much the old school and they have not really taken to black people".


Of course people can change, Prince Harry is a good example of that. He has acknowledged that he was "bigotted" in the past and has since apologised for his previous behaviour. Until someone, ideally the King, does the same on behalf of Royal Family, I will continue to consider them collectively to be racist.
 
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It's not really that puzzling.

There hasn't been a 6-hour Netflix documentary on Andrew, nor has they been, interview after interview and I'm sure Andrew hasn't written a tell-all book about how he was wronged by the family.

I'm not saying what Andrew did isn't up for discussion, I'm suggesting that the reason more people are talking/debating about Harry & Meghan is because of how much Harry and Meghan are controlling, the media and public eye right now. Surely you see that, right?
However, Virginia Giuffre has given more interviews about her allegations about Prince Andrew and if you added them all up they would be longer than the 6 hour Harry and Meghan documentary series.

Soon the gagging order that Andrew paid to prevent Virginia Giuffre from talking will expire, do you really think the media will give that story as much attention as they are giving Harry and Meghan? Do you think there will be newspaper articles about people wanting Andrew to be forced to walk naked through different cities in Britain so people can throw excrement at him? Do you think the newspapers will devote multiple pages every day for a week to attack Andrew?

I understand why people are talking about Harry and Meghan now because currently they never out of the news but why are news editors so determined to keep the story in the headlines? Harry and Meghan aren't asking them to do that. Is it at the request of the Royal Family? Is it because the media and the Royals want the opportunity for Harry and Meghan to be criticised for longer? Why hasn't the media been as nasty about Prince Andrew?
 

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However, Virginia Giuffre has given more interviews about her allegations about Prince Andrew and if you added them all up they would be longer than the 6 hour Harry and Meghan documentary series.

Soon the gagging order that Andrew paid to prevent Virginia Giuffre from talking will expire, do you really think the media will give that story as much attention as they are giving Harry and Meghan? Do you think there will be newspaper articles about people wanting Andrew to be forced to walk naked through different cities in Britain so people can throw excrement at him? Do you think the newspapers will devote multiple pages every day for a week to attack Andrew?

I understand why people are talking about Harry and Meghan now because currently they never out of the news but why are news editors so determined to keep the story in the headlines? Harry and Meghan aren't asking them to do that. Is it at the request of the Royal Family? Is it because the media and the Royals want the opportunity for Harry and Meghan to be criticised for longer? Why hasn't the media been as nasty about Prince Andrew?

One of the reasons people aren't talking much about Andrew anymore is because people are mostly assuming that Andrew's probably guilty and that his accuser is probably telling the truth. So there's not all that much more to discuss.

Most people believe her, so it's kinda done as a topic.

Meghan's a lying and narcissistic cow, and people know that -- unless they relate her bovine psychology. Plus, she and Harry continue and just won't stop. So of course people keep talking about them; they want to be talked about, and their BS accepted as holy.
 
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One of the reasons people aren't talking much about Andrew anymore is because people are mostly assuming that Andrew's probably guilty and that his accuser is probably telling the truth. So there's not all that much more to discuss.

Most people believe her, so it's kinda done as a topic.
I broadly agree with this but I don't think it's a done deal. The allegations are really serious so there needs to be more pressure put on Prince Andrew to go to the USA to answer questions the police have for him. Instead, we are paying £300,000 every year to fund his security. It's not enough that people believe her, Andrew needs to go and trial and for a court to decide his guilt or otherwise. However, there seems to be relatively little enthusiasm in the media and the wider public to discuss these issues.

Meghan's a lying and narcissistic cow, and people know that -- unless they relate her bovine psychology. Plus, she and Harry continue and just won't stop. So of course people keep talking about them; they want to be talked about, and their BS accepted as holy.
It won't surprise you that I disagree with this. Harry said he wants to give his side of the story because the Royal Family continually leek and plant stories in the media against him and his wife. I regularly read newspaper stories which proport to give the views of members of the Royal Family or describe events that happened at the Royal residences which can only have originated from the Royals themselves or people close to them, such as this one a few days ago:

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Harry said he tried to reach out to his family but has been rebuffed so I'm sure he would disagree with that headline. If stories that he considers to be inaccurate didn't appear in the papers, he wouldn't need to rebut them.
 

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Harry's appearance last night with Stephen Colbert:
I watched this morning and of the 4 interviews that Harry has given to promote his book, I thought this was the best. Also, it's the only one with a studio audience so it's interesting to see how they react to him and what he had to say.
 

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I watched this morning and of the 4 interviews that Harry has given to promote his book, I thought this was the best. Also, it's the only one with a studio audience so it's interesting to see how they react to him and what he had to say.

The crowd is enthusiastic, yes -- they rarely see a real duke-y prince. And the audience that continues to still follow anachronistic Colbert at this point would predictably be receptive to this kind of thing.
 

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The crowd is enthusiastic, yes -- they rarely see a real duke-y prince. And the audience that continues to still follow anachronistic Colbert at this point would predictably be receptive to this kind of thing.
Stephen Colbert did a great job and I particularly liked the bit when they connected over the similarities of losing a parent at a young age and their refusal to believe it at the time. He made Harry seem really relaxed and as a result even more open and natural than he was in previous interviews.
 

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Stephen Colbert did a great job and I particularly liked the bit when they connected over the similarities of losing a parent at a young age and their refusal to believe it at the time. He made Harry seem really relaxed and as a result even more open and natural than he was in previous interviews.

That's what you see, I realize.
 

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Why would anybody bother to watch THE CROWN when the real thing is perfectly cast and an infinitely more compelling soap opera?

It's like all those dreadful Kennedy family TV movies for all these decades: how can they compete with reality??

 

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Not sure if anything will come of this but I would love to see Meghan have to testify under oath. Could she rival Amber as most manipulative bad actress??

They seem to have some psychological similarities, to be sure. But The Duchess is a much cooler customer... Amber is self-destructively reactive and ridiculously faux-indignant at all times, so she'd never get anywhere near as far as Meghan.

Meghan can do mock-soulful well-enough to fool her naive followers, while Amber's feminist fans increase their support for her the more obvious her histrionic lies become.

Which is kind of similar but kind of isn't.
 
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I haven't watched the netflix series so I can't comment on it. But I got Harry's book for my birthday and have just started reading it. So I'm wondering if anyone have read it?
 

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I haven't watched the netflix series so I can't comment on it. But I got Harry's book for my birthday and have just started reading it. So I'm wondering if anyone have read it?
Yes I read it and posted this brief review on the "What Was The Last Book You Read?" thread:

Whatever you think about Prince Harry and whether he should have published his autobiography, this is a fascinating and very well written book. At times it's heart-breaking and in other places it's very funny. It's interesting to hear his story in his own words, from his own point of view rather than reading how he is portrayed in the media.

I'd also add how fascinating it is to read the book and compare it to the stuff that has been said in the UK media about it. They have deliberately misquoted and misrepresented what he said and reading it for yourself kind of vindicates many of the points he makes in it about the treatment he and Meghan have received from the media.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the book, it's a real page turner.
 

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Thanks I am enjoying it so far but I haven't gotten very far. It's sad though how he was in denial about his mother's death for so many years. But I think it was a defence-mechanism since the truth was too hard to accept.
What he said about his mother's death really resonated with me. I lost my father when I was 7 and some of the things he said were the same for me. When he said he couldn't remember anything about his mother before she died that was exactly how it was for me and I never previously heard anyone else say that. I think the grief he had, and still has, is very real and very strong and as you go through the book you will see just how much it has shaped so much of his life and views.
 
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