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The choices are a party that is corrupt and inept, or corrupt and regressive.

Although I'd argue that the ineptitude of the Democrats is quite calculated, and, hence, not really inept. The reasons Democrats can't get anything done when they're in total control of the government is by design --- and when they "fail" as per usual, they'll just blame the Republicans or outliers in their own party like Manchin and Sinema.

The ultimate goal, of course, is to get nothing done. And they certainly don't care about splattered babies...
 

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I think if the government had the numbers in Congress they would be able do more to curb the sale and handling of guns. However, the electorate refuse to give them that power. The public need to take some responsibility for not voting for the change the USA needs. How many people today will be saying how awful this shooting was and that it must not happen again but come November will vote for candidates who don't support restricting of gun rights?
Congratulations to the propaganda machine known as the mainstream media for convincing people that the electorate is the problem and not the people in office.

Democrats claim to support many popular polices, but they act hamstrung once in office. The electorate has elected Democratic presidents and Democratic majorities several times to no avail. Nobody thought a black man could be president, yet Americans voted for Barack Obama twice. The first time he ran, he beat long time senator and former POW John McCain by positioning himself as the antidote to the status quo. People never get the change they vote for, yet the media shames voters instead of politicians.
 
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Just horrible. Also I don't know why but somehow it feels even worse when the victims are children. I really hope President Biden and the democrats will be able to do something about the US gun laws since they need changing really bad! :(
You can count on them to pontificate on Twitter about the need for stricter gun laws, but that's about it.
 

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Congratulations to the propaganda machine known as the mainstream media for convincing people that the electorate is the problem and not the people in office.

Democrats claim to support many popular polices, but they act hamstrung once in office. The electorate has elected Democratic presidents and Democratic majorities several times to no avail. Nobody thought a black man could be president, yet Americans voted for Barack Obama twice. The first time he ran, he beat long time senator and former POW John McCain by positioning himself as the antidote to the status quo. People never get the change they vote for, yet the media shames voters instead of politicians.
As an American you will know more about this than me: when was the last time electors gave a US president a Senate majority sufficient to stop the opposition using the filibuster to stop legislation? It's disingenuous to suggest that Biden can bring in gun controls without a large enough majority in the Senate, so yes the electorate need to vote for more politicians that will oppose the NRA and bring in gun controls.
 

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As an American you will know more about this than me: when was the last time electors gave a US president a Senate majority sufficient to stop the opposition using the filibuster to stop legislation? It's disingenuous to suggest that Biden can bring in gun controls without a large enough majority in the Senate, so yes the electorate need to vote for more politicians that will oppose the NRA and bring in gun controls.
I believe the last time the Democrats had a supermajority was a brief 72 day period between 2009 and 2010, so where was the stricter gun legislation then?

The question we should be asking ourselves is why the electorate rarely gives Democrats a super majority. Is it because they don't want universal health care, stricter gun laws, diplomacy, a living wage, etc.? Or is it because they recognize the Democrats don't want these things? Democrats never seem to have a big enough majority when it comes to passing policies that would improve people's lives, yet they manage to lavish corporations with money and tax breaks while funding military adventures like Republicans do.

If you still think the electorate is to blame, just consider who the Democratic leadership supports in Congressional primaries. It's always the most right-leaning candidate in the race. Why would they do that if their goal is to pass left-wing priorities? Look at how they smeared and sabotaged Bernie Sanders two presidential elections in a row while propping up their most center-right candidates. They also fear monger about progressive policies in the media. Does it really sound like they want to pass gun control to you?

It's amazing how many right wing policies Dems help pass in the name of bipartisanship, yet left wing priorities are cast aside. It's as if the Democrats are controlled opposition.
 
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Who was the congressman -- @Frank Underwood can probably help me out on this -- who admitted in an interview a couple of years ago that legitimate liberals "have nowhere to go" politically unless they're willing to show that they're not going to vote for the Democrats...?

Of course, voting Republican doesn't work either.
 

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Who was the congressman -- @Frank Underwood can probably help me out on this -- who admitted in an interview a couple of years ago that legitimate liberals "have nowhere to go" politically unless they're willing to show that they're not going to vote for the Democrats...?
That was Lawrence O'Donnell discussing his experience as a legislative aide. O'Donnell's been an MSNBC host for over a decade now (surprise, surprise.)

Here's the video:

Lawrence O'Donnell Explains how Corporate Democrats Think - YouTube

Of course, voting Republican doesn't work either.
Correct. That's why I don't understand people who leave the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. They're just trading one bad apple for another.

Voting third party obviously doesn't change anything legislatively, but I do feel better knowing I'm not enabling the destruction of the country by the two party system.
 
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That was Lawrence O'Donnell discussing his experience as a legislative aide. O'Donnell's been an MSNBC host for over a decade now (surprise, surprise.)

Ah, he was just a legislative aide. Funny he had that insight, but can shovel the slop with great relish, too. But I suspect most newspeople know they're whoring themselves shamelessly.

Correct. That's why I don't understand people who leave the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. They're just trading one bad apple for another.

Voting third party obviously doesn't change anything legislatively, but I do feel better knowing I'm not enabling the destruction of the country by the two party system.

Certain voters jump back and forth every two-to-four years, casting a ballot for which ever party isn't in power. Like that ever helps either.

Only a viable third party can help us dig our way out of this American mess -- which is exactly why there's so much effort to stop that.

But Aristotle said that politics is about the war between the rich and the poor. (And the rich own all the politicians).

The quasi-leftist media and the quasi-leftist Democrats (which is almost all of them) are happy to have the Republicans sweep the Congress this year (and even have Trump regain the White House, although his candidates seem to now be losing) because that lets them blame the conservatives when they deliver either, and if they lose their seat, they just move on to the position on the board of Raytheon.

No one ever mentions Halliburton anymore. And I kind of miss it.
 

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That was Lawrence O'Donnell discussing his experience as a legislative aide. O'Donnell's been an MSNBC host for over a decade now (surprise, surprise.)

Here's the video:

Lawrence O'Donnell Explains how Corporate Democrats Think - YouTube


Correct. That's why I don't understand people who leave the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. They're just trading one bad apple for another.

Voting third party obviously doesn't change anything legislatively, but I do feel better knowing I'm not enabling the destruction of the country by the two party syst
 

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I do understand your point about flaws in both parties.

Where I digress, at least for the present, is that the Democrats have been overly influenced by the extreme left in the party,
which is seriously at odds with most of the middle class (the bottom 2/3 of it) and the working class.
I think a significant representation of that change was the Green New Deal resolution of 2019,
which had 90 House of Rep cosponsors 12 Senate cosponsors including Kamal Harris, and numerous other far left individuals and groups,
All of whom are Democrats.

The GND would effectively create a socialist economy under the guise of Climate Change Response.
Critics have compared it to UN Agenda 21 and its successors. Whether that is accurate or not,
it doesn't change the GND content, which is disturbing to say the least.
We can all agree that a clean environment and support/respect for All people are worthwhile goals,
and it would be great if both parties worked together,
but GND would reduce America to a socialist state, with no significant middle class,
while the elites (5-10% tops) would enjoy modern day royalty status with almost all the wealth.
I have attached the following link below, which explains in detail what a catastrophe
the GND would be.

All this is to say that the Democrats have moved so far to the left that many people think they have no other
realistic alternative other than the Republican party. How can a party seriously embrace those who want to replace law enforcement with social workers?
Any group of professionals will always have their bad apples. I have family and friends in law enforcement, and I know that the overwhelming
majority do their best to uphold the profession. They deserve respect and support.
The middle/working class can no longer count on the Democrats to give even lip service to their interests.
Inflation is at a 41 year high, Gas Prices have more than doubled, Drilling has been disallowed in many areas,
Grocery Prices are Rising, Crime is Rising, business is closing due to theft and rioting, burning, looting etc
by Antifa, BLM and other leftist groups, there is a full blown border crisis, and even Baby formula is having a Shortage.
The Dems conrtol the Presidency, House of Reps and the Senate. The are clearly failing.
This is not the Democratic party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ or Tip O'Neill anymore.
It has been hijacked by the extreme far left.

I could provide much greater detail, but time and space is limited,

Again, both parties have their flaws, but for a significant group of honest, law abiding Americans, the Democratic party no longer respects
and/or represents their financial interests, culture and values, and that is why people are leaving it.

 

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I do understand your point about flaws in both parties.

Where I digress, at least for the present, is that the Democrats have been overly influenced by the extreme left in the party,
which is seriously at odds with most of the middle class (the bottom 2/3 of it) and the working class.
I think a significant representation of that change was the Green New Deal resolution of 2019,
which had 90 House of Rep cosponsors 12 Senate cosponsors including Kamal Harris, and numerous other far left individuals and groups,
All of whom are Democrats.

The GND would effectively create a socialist economy under the guise of Climate Change Response.
Critics have compared it to UN Agenda 21 and its successors. Whether that is accurate or not,
it doesn't change the GND content, which is disturbing to say the least.
We can all agree that a clean environment and support/respect for All people are worthwhile goals,
and it would be great if both parties worked together,
but GND would reduce America to a socialist state, with no significant middle class,
while the elites (5-10% tops) would enjoy modern day royalty status with almost all the wealth.
I have attached the following link below, which explains in detail what a catastrophe
the GND would be.

All this is to say that the Democrats have moved so far to the left that many people think they have no other
realistic alternative other than the Republican party. How can a party seriously embrace those who want to replace law enforcement with social workers?
Any group of professionals will always have their bad apples. I have family and friends in law enforcement, and I know that the overwhelming
majority do their best to uphold the profession. They deserve respect and support.
The middle/working class can no longer count on the Democrats to give even lip service to their interests.
Inflation is at a 41 year high, Gas Prices have more than doubled, Drilling has been disallowed in many areas,
Grocery Prices are Rising, Crime is Rising, business is closing due to theft and rioting, burning, looting etc
by Antifa, BLM and other leftist groups, there is a full blown border crisis, and even Baby formula is having a Shortage.
The Dems conrtol the Presidency, House of Reps and the Senate. The are clearly failing.
This is not the Democratic party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ or Tip O'Neill anymore.
It has been hijacked by the extreme far left.

I could provide much greater detail, but time and space is limited,

Again, both parties have their flaws, but for a significant group of honest, law abiding Americans, the Democratic party no longer respects
and/or represents their financial interests, culture and values, and that is why people are leaving it.


There is no political left left in American politics -- and the Dems certainly haven't moved far-left (despite how convincing your rightwing media sources may be).

Even the woke crap isn't far left (they support establishment Dems who are really center and center-right). The wokesters revile the few remaining true lefties out there.

A more socialist economy is what American needs.

Oh, we have one. Only all the money goes to the billionaires and the corporations --- which is why they never call that socialism (although it is).
 

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A more socialist economy is what American needs.
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy.
[PERTH, 28 MAY 1948] — Winston S. Churchill

The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill


No Socialist system can be established without a political police. Many of those who are advocating Socialism or voting Socialist today will be horrified at this idea. That is because they are short-sighted, that is because they do not see where their theories are leading them. No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil. — Winston S. Churchill
 

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Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy.
[PERTH, 28 MAY 1948] — Winston S. Churchill

The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill


No Socialist system can be established without a political police. Many of those who are advocating Socialism or voting Socialist today will be horrified at this idea. That is because they are short-sighted, that is because they do not see where their theories are leading them. No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil. — Winston S. Churchill

Then why do we have socialism for the wealthy in spades?
 

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There is no political left left in American politics -- and the Dems certainly haven't moved far-left (despite how convincing your rightwing media sources may be).

Even the woke crap isn't far left (they support establishment Dems who are really center and center-right). The wokesters revile the few remaining true lefties out there.



Oh, we have one. Only all the money goes to the billionaires and the corporations --- which is why they never call that socialism (although it is)

You seriously think there is no difference between Manchin?sinema and Tlaib/Pressley?

My source is the mainstream media which has become a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, especially its left.
 

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You seriously think there is no difference between Manchin?sinema and Tlaib/Pressley?

My source is the mainstream media which has become a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, especially its left.

No, the MSM is indeed a mouthpiece for the Democratic party but the Dems have no leftism in them.

There is no legit left in the MSM or Washington.
 

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Then why do we have socialism for the wealthy in spades?
I am not a fan of some of those individuals, but America isn't the only country with super-rich individuals.
They were better at utilizing the capitalist system. They took risks, and they they reaped the rewards, from smarts, ability or maybe luck.
Those societies would progress, according to Adam Smith and the philosophy of the Invisible Hand.

Ultimately, its the Golden Rule
He who has the Gold makes the rules LOL!
 

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I am not a fan of some of those individuals, but America isn't the only country with super-rich individuals.
They were better at utilizing the capitalist system. They took risks, and they they reaped the rewards, from smarts, ability or maybe luck.
Those societies would progress, according to Adam Smith and the philosophy of the Invisible Hand.

Ultimately, its the Golden Rule
He who has the Gold makes the rules LOL!

Heh. So they're "the jobs creators"??

Well, by asserting that "He who has the Gold makes the rules" then you're admitting to fascism. Got it.
 

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Heh. So they're "the jobs creators"??

Well, by asserting that "He who has the Gold makes the rules" then you're admitting to fascism. Got it.
No I am not. That is simply the history and dynamic of ... basically every system. Read the definition of Fascism. I gave you credit for being smarter, come on

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization

note that making the rules does not necessarily include the right wing, a nationalistic approach, or a social organization.
It is simply using the existing rules to create new ones (IE the Tax code, licensing, business transaction laws) for the purpose
of increasing wealth. Fascism would mean all kinds of social, military and legal regiments in addition to any economic philosophy
 
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