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Bobby and Pam : Together or apart?
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Either was good to me as their chemistry was so strong it worked either way.
It was a little more exciting when they were separated though as all their little interactions as "friends" with those intense gazes etc were so good. The 1983 - 84 season is so strong aswell overall probably one of the top 3 seasons of the show.
Bobby would've walked in front of a bus for Pam even after their divorce. After Pams exit we were expected to believe he'd not search for her and move on based on a scribbled letter that could've been forged for all anyone knew. Thats when Bobby's character went into the sewer and never made its way back out.
It was a little more exciting when they were separated though as all their little interactions as "friends" with those intense gazes etc were so good. The 1983 - 84 season is so strong aswell overall probably one of the top 3 seasons of the show.
Bobby would've walked in front of a bus for Pam even after their divorce. After Pams exit we were expected to believe he'd not search for her and move on based on a scribbled letter that could've been forged for all anyone knew. Thats when Bobby's character went into the sewer and never made its way back out.
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But nobody on Dallas was without their flaws morally, and as far as characters go Mark was a pretty decent guy. In fact the only remotely shady thing he ever did was pursue Pam when she was still married, but he fell madly in love with her. I can't really fault him for going after the woman he loves. All things considered Bobby was more of a morally dubious character than Mark, so I don't really buy it when people say they don't like Mark for that reason. I think it's more of a question of him being the spanner in the works for those who are shipping Pam and Bobby.
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Members, have you ever seen this video?.... a behind the scene with Katzman taking himself really seriously....
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Katzman always took himself too seriously and not always for the betterment of the show.
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The narrator says Victoria plays Victoria EwingHere the link :
[News Clip: Dallas]
Video footage from the KXAS-TV/NBC station in Fort Worth, Texas, to accompany a news story.
I'm surprised Patrick lasted as long as he did, he certainly went on a lot about playing Bobby nice guy.
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unfortunately for Patrick and his wide-ranging thespianic chops, producer Lenny Katz felt there was only room for one evil brother in the Ewing Ranch EmpireThe narrator says Victoria plays Victoria Ewing
I'm surprised Patrick lasted as long as he did, he certainly went on a lot about playing Bobby nice guy.
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Brilliant find thanks
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It's been an unseasonably warm day where I am today, about 75 f, so
when I saw these pics, I thought they'd be nice for Bobby & Pam fans.
Yes, I was a Bobby & Pam fan at the beginning. I know they had to split to add some tension and drama, but I wish there had been a way of keeping them together.
They were always better together.
when I saw these pics, I thought they'd be nice for Bobby & Pam fans.
Yes, I was a Bobby & Pam fan at the beginning. I know they had to split to add some tension and drama, but I wish there had been a way of keeping them together.
They were always better together.
The narrator says Victoria plays Victoria Ewing
I'm surprised Patrick lasted as long as he did, he certainly went on a lot about playing Bobby nice guy.
View attachment 48123The narrator says Victoria plays Victoria Ewing
I'm surprised Patrick lasted as long as he did, he certainly went on a lot about playing Bobby nice guy.
The narrator says Victoria plays Victoria Ewing
I'm surprised Patrick lasted as long as he did, he certainly went on a lot about playing Bobby nice guy.
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Together forever, these two was the glue Barnes v Ewing after VP left it was not the same. Could not stand Call6y and April as 2nd Ewing wives, Sue Ellen and Pam all the way, same with Donna and Ray, that was Dallas. Accepted Clayton as patriarch well written was the character. Dallas for me ended, in Fall of the House of Ewing.
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On behalf of the millions of romantics who fell in love with Dallas when it was a soap opera - before it became a drama about a supervillain - I say Bobby and Pam definitely belong together.
The year was 1978. I was 7 years old and watching television. A gorgeous young couple, driving down a Texas highway in a little red Mercedes convertible, appeared on the screen. They pulled up at a gas station. They were talking. He loving caressed her hair. They kissed.
I had not seen how they met. I had not seen them on a single date. I had not seen a wedding. Somehow, I knew that I was looking at two people who were deeply in love.
Bobby and Pam had imprinted on me. I would faithfully watch Dallas for the next 9 years because of this amazing couple.
Early on, I loved the episodes that positioned Bobby and Pamela's good marriage back-to-back with JR and Sue Ellen's bad marriage. I would have a silly smile of satisfaction on my face, watching Bobby and Pam work through their problems and reaffirm their love for each other. (I still do.)
Their marriage was the stuff dreams are made of. It was not perfect. They are not perfect people. To quote Patrick Duffy, when I saw Bobby and Pam, I always thought "That's love."
It is often suggested that Bobby and Pam had a less interesting marriage because it was not plagued with cheating, scandal and violent confrontations. However, Bobby and Pam were not ordinary people, and they did not have ordinary marital problems, which made them very interesting to so many of us.
Bobby and Pam were the beautiful, sexy couple on Dallas. Yet, they were good people with morals, and they were firmly committed to being faithful to each other. Hardly common behavior for attractive people in a soap. Pam never got even with JR. She certainly could have, just once, lured JR into a compromising position for angry Bobby to find. It would have been easy. JR did not even try to hide his lust for her! And, what better way would this have been to get back at her mean, jealous sister-in-law. As far as Bobby goes, in season 7, even Pam tells Sue Ellen she has no idea why Bobby never cheated on her.
Those of us who adore this couple are most proud that they never cheated!
Bobby and Pam's biggest marital challenges involved the Barnes/Ewing feuds. Yes, Bobby had an old girlfriend who never seemed to go away, and Pam frequently battled demons over her fertility struggles. They were strong enough to overcome these obstacles. It was the family feuding that destroyed their marriage.
Bobby was always fighting his brother for their father's approval. He neglected his wife in the process. Meanwhile, Pam was often blindly devoted to her brother because he was the only constant family she had. Their fathers hated each other. Their brothers hated each other even more. These brothers did more damage to Bobby and Pam's marriage than anyone, including Katherine.
Katherine was entertainment for viewers who wanted a villain to create mayhem in Bobby and Pam's relationship. She was also a disposable character (like Kristin), as the audience would be extremely angry with whoever was responsible for breaking up our golden couple.
Cliff had knowledge of Katherine's desire for Bobby. He could have told Pamela what Katherine was up to at any point. He did not because he was selfish. He did not because he always wanted revenge on the Ewings. He did not because he was feuding with JR.
The never-ending fight between their families, with them caught in the middle, was the real problem in Pam and Bobby's marriage. The Shakespearean tale of the bitter fight between the Montagues and the Capulets is what doomed this couple's marriage. There is nothing ordinary about that.
For many of us, Bobby and Pam's divorce was a very sad moment on Dallas. We did not want to see Bobby and Pam get divorced! Bobby and Pam were supposed to grow old together as a HAPPILY married couple. We thought they were Jock and Miss Ellie, and so did Jock and Miss Ellie.
Bobby and Pam quickly became a fan favorite couple. They are considered a SUPERCOUPLE. Millions of us loved watching their tragic love story. The way that they look at and touch each other is beautiful. The things that they say to each other especially in Deliverance, Season 8, sound straight out of a romance novel. And, Swan Song is simply beautiful, even if it is sad. We are not crying just because Bobby is dead. We are crying because, after 2 long years of separation, our star-crossed lovers have finally reconciled, only to have Bobby die.
Patrick Duffy and Victoria Principal are simply perfection as Bobby and Pam. Neither of them could be replaced.
I thank both of them for providing THE most beautiful moments of television of my childhood, my tween and teen years. I thank them for bringing me joy - even now as I rediscover this great show.
The year was 1978. I was 7 years old and watching television. A gorgeous young couple, driving down a Texas highway in a little red Mercedes convertible, appeared on the screen. They pulled up at a gas station. They were talking. He loving caressed her hair. They kissed.
I had not seen how they met. I had not seen them on a single date. I had not seen a wedding. Somehow, I knew that I was looking at two people who were deeply in love.
Bobby and Pam had imprinted on me. I would faithfully watch Dallas for the next 9 years because of this amazing couple.
Early on, I loved the episodes that positioned Bobby and Pamela's good marriage back-to-back with JR and Sue Ellen's bad marriage. I would have a silly smile of satisfaction on my face, watching Bobby and Pam work through their problems and reaffirm their love for each other. (I still do.)
Their marriage was the stuff dreams are made of. It was not perfect. They are not perfect people. To quote Patrick Duffy, when I saw Bobby and Pam, I always thought "That's love."
It is often suggested that Bobby and Pam had a less interesting marriage because it was not plagued with cheating, scandal and violent confrontations. However, Bobby and Pam were not ordinary people, and they did not have ordinary marital problems, which made them very interesting to so many of us.
Bobby and Pam were the beautiful, sexy couple on Dallas. Yet, they were good people with morals, and they were firmly committed to being faithful to each other. Hardly common behavior for attractive people in a soap. Pam never got even with JR. She certainly could have, just once, lured JR into a compromising position for angry Bobby to find. It would have been easy. JR did not even try to hide his lust for her! And, what better way would this have been to get back at her mean, jealous sister-in-law. As far as Bobby goes, in season 7, even Pam tells Sue Ellen she has no idea why Bobby never cheated on her.
Those of us who adore this couple are most proud that they never cheated!
Bobby and Pam's biggest marital challenges involved the Barnes/Ewing feuds. Yes, Bobby had an old girlfriend who never seemed to go away, and Pam frequently battled demons over her fertility struggles. They were strong enough to overcome these obstacles. It was the family feuding that destroyed their marriage.
Bobby was always fighting his brother for their father's approval. He neglected his wife in the process. Meanwhile, Pam was often blindly devoted to her brother because he was the only constant family she had. Their fathers hated each other. Their brothers hated each other even more. These brothers did more damage to Bobby and Pam's marriage than anyone, including Katherine.
Katherine was entertainment for viewers who wanted a villain to create mayhem in Bobby and Pam's relationship. She was also a disposable character (like Kristin), as the audience would be extremely angry with whoever was responsible for breaking up our golden couple.
Cliff had knowledge of Katherine's desire for Bobby. He could have told Pamela what Katherine was up to at any point. He did not because he was selfish. He did not because he always wanted revenge on the Ewings. He did not because he was feuding with JR.
The never-ending fight between their families, with them caught in the middle, was the real problem in Pam and Bobby's marriage. The Shakespearean tale of the bitter fight between the Montagues and the Capulets is what doomed this couple's marriage. There is nothing ordinary about that.
For many of us, Bobby and Pam's divorce was a very sad moment on Dallas. We did not want to see Bobby and Pam get divorced! Bobby and Pam were supposed to grow old together as a HAPPILY married couple. We thought they were Jock and Miss Ellie, and so did Jock and Miss Ellie.
Bobby and Pam quickly became a fan favorite couple. They are considered a SUPERCOUPLE. Millions of us loved watching their tragic love story. The way that they look at and touch each other is beautiful. The things that they say to each other especially in Deliverance, Season 8, sound straight out of a romance novel. And, Swan Song is simply beautiful, even if it is sad. We are not crying just because Bobby is dead. We are crying because, after 2 long years of separation, our star-crossed lovers have finally reconciled, only to have Bobby die.
Patrick Duffy and Victoria Principal are simply perfection as Bobby and Pam. Neither of them could be replaced.
I thank both of them for providing THE most beautiful moments of television of my childhood, my tween and teen years. I thank them for bringing me joy - even now as I rediscover this great show.
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I am new to this site. I have enjoyed reading the posts. I wanted to comment on my favorite couple.
I am a romantic who fell in love with Dallas when it was a soap - before it became a drama about a supervillain. I say Bobby and Pam definitely belong together forever!
The year was 1978. I was 7 years old and watching television. A gorgeous young couple, driving down a Texas highway in a little red Mercedes convertible, appeared on the screen. They pulled up to a gas station. They were talking. The man began to caress the woman's hair lovingly. They kissed.
I had not seen how they met. I had not seen them on a single date. I had not seen a wedding. Somehow, I knew that I was looking at two people who were deeply in love with each other.
Bobby and Pam had imprinted on me. I watched Dallas faithfully for the next 9 years because of this amazing couple. (By Season 9, I loved Pam enough to watch her, desperately hoping Bobby would return or at least Mark would die again).
Early on, I loved the episodes that positioned Bobby and Pamela's good marriage back-to-back with JR and Sue Ellen's bad marriage. I remember having a silly smile of happiness on my face, watching Bobby and Pam work through their problems, and then reaffirm their love for each other. (I still do.)
Their marriage was the stuff I dreamed of having someday. It was not perfect. They were not perfect people. To quote Patrick Duffy, when I looked at at Bobby and Pam, I always thought "that's love."
It is often suggested that viewers won't tune in to see a couple whose marriage is not rocked by cheating and scandal. Perhaps if Bobby and Pam were an ordinary couple with ordinary marital problems, this might be true. Bobby and Pam are not ordinary people. They certainly do not have ordinary marital problems.
Bobby and Pam are young and very attractive. They should be doing things that young, very attractive people do - cause trouble, especially if provoked. Yet, they are good people with morals. They are firmly committed to being faithful to each other. Hardly common behavior for attractive people on a soap. Pam never gets even with JR. She certainly could have, just once, lured him into a compromising position for angry Bobby to find. JR did not even try to hide his lust for her! And, what better way would this have been to get even with a jealous sister-in-law. As for Bobby, even Pam tells Sue Ellen she has no idea why Bobby had never cheated on her.
I love that Bobby and Pam never cheat! It is hopeful. It is actually refreshing because it is different and unexpected.
Bobby and Pam's biggest marital challenges revolved around the Barnes/Ewing feud. Yes, Bobby had an old girlfriend who never seemed to go away, (Jenna was a pest) and, Pam frequently struggled with infertility. But, it was the family feuding that destroyed their marriage. Bobby was either fighting his brother for their father's approval or to control the family empire. He neglected his wife in the process. Meanwhile, Pam was often blindly devoted to her brother because he was the only constant family she had growing up. Their fathers hated each other. Their brothers hated each other even more. These brothers did more damage to Bobby and Pam's marriage/relationship than anyone else, including Katherine.
Katherine was entertainment for viewers who wanted a villain to create mayhem in Bobby and Pam's relationship. She was also a disposable character - much like Kristin - as the audience would be extremely angry with the person they believed to be responsible for breaking up the golden couple.
Cliff was well aware that Katherine wanted Bobby. He could have told Pamela what Katherine was up to at any point. He did not because Cliff was selfish. He did not because Cliff was obsessed with getting revenge on the Ewings. He did not because he was feuding with JR and Bobby.
The never-ending fight between their families, with them caught in the middle, was the real problem in Bobby and Pam's marriage/relationship. The Shakespearean tale of the bitter rivalry between the Montagues and the Capulets is what doomed this couple's marriage. There is nothing ordinary about that.
I loved the family rivalry. Romeo and Juliet is my favorite play by Shakespeare. I just wish someone had told me that this was the plot for Bobby and Pam. Perhaps I would not have become so invested in their story.
For me, Bobby and Pam's divorce was a very sad moment on Dallas. I did not want to see Bobby and Pam get divorced! Bobby and Pam were supposed to grow old together as a happily married couple. They were supposed to become Jock and Miss Ellie, caretakers of Southfork. You cannot become Jock and Miss Ellie if you get divorced - even if you remarry.
The writers should have left Bobby and Pam alone! Why did they HAVE to get divorced? You want drama? How about let them have that baby we were waiting on forever! For once, let Pam almost have a miscarriage. Let Pam have a long and complicated pregnancy. Let them have a child with special needs. Give us something, anything! This story line was tortuous ever time! After all, Pam was going to die forever anyway! Pick up with Shakespeare's tragedy from there.
Bobby and Pam are a SUPERCOUPLE. for a reason. Their love for each other is beautiful and so very enjoyable to watch. The way that they look at and touch each other is beautiful. The things that they say to each other, especially in Deliverance (Season 8) , sound straight out of a romance novel. And, Swan Song is simply beautiful, even if it is sad. I am not crying just because Bobby is dead. I am crying because after two incredibly long years of separation, our star-crossed lovers have finally reconciled, only to have Bobby die. He is run down in Pam's driveway, trying to save her. Pam's scream is still haunting.
Patrick Duffy and Victoria Principal are simply perfection as Bobby and Pamela. Neither one of them could be replaced.
I thank both of them for providing THE most beautiful moments of television of my childhood, my tween and teen years. I thank them for bringing me joy - even now as I rediscover this great show.
I am a romantic who fell in love with Dallas when it was a soap - before it became a drama about a supervillain. I say Bobby and Pam definitely belong together forever!
The year was 1978. I was 7 years old and watching television. A gorgeous young couple, driving down a Texas highway in a little red Mercedes convertible, appeared on the screen. They pulled up to a gas station. They were talking. The man began to caress the woman's hair lovingly. They kissed.
I had not seen how they met. I had not seen them on a single date. I had not seen a wedding. Somehow, I knew that I was looking at two people who were deeply in love with each other.
Bobby and Pam had imprinted on me. I watched Dallas faithfully for the next 9 years because of this amazing couple. (By Season 9, I loved Pam enough to watch her, desperately hoping Bobby would return or at least Mark would die again).
Early on, I loved the episodes that positioned Bobby and Pamela's good marriage back-to-back with JR and Sue Ellen's bad marriage. I remember having a silly smile of happiness on my face, watching Bobby and Pam work through their problems, and then reaffirm their love for each other. (I still do.)
Their marriage was the stuff I dreamed of having someday. It was not perfect. They were not perfect people. To quote Patrick Duffy, when I looked at at Bobby and Pam, I always thought "that's love."
It is often suggested that viewers won't tune in to see a couple whose marriage is not rocked by cheating and scandal. Perhaps if Bobby and Pam were an ordinary couple with ordinary marital problems, this might be true. Bobby and Pam are not ordinary people. They certainly do not have ordinary marital problems.
Bobby and Pam are young and very attractive. They should be doing things that young, very attractive people do - cause trouble, especially if provoked. Yet, they are good people with morals. They are firmly committed to being faithful to each other. Hardly common behavior for attractive people on a soap. Pam never gets even with JR. She certainly could have, just once, lured him into a compromising position for angry Bobby to find. JR did not even try to hide his lust for her! And, what better way would this have been to get even with a jealous sister-in-law. As for Bobby, even Pam tells Sue Ellen she has no idea why Bobby had never cheated on her.
I love that Bobby and Pam never cheat! It is hopeful. It is actually refreshing because it is different and unexpected.
Bobby and Pam's biggest marital challenges revolved around the Barnes/Ewing feud. Yes, Bobby had an old girlfriend who never seemed to go away, (Jenna was a pest) and, Pam frequently struggled with infertility. But, it was the family feuding that destroyed their marriage. Bobby was either fighting his brother for their father's approval or to control the family empire. He neglected his wife in the process. Meanwhile, Pam was often blindly devoted to her brother because he was the only constant family she had growing up. Their fathers hated each other. Their brothers hated each other even more. These brothers did more damage to Bobby and Pam's marriage/relationship than anyone else, including Katherine.
Katherine was entertainment for viewers who wanted a villain to create mayhem in Bobby and Pam's relationship. She was also a disposable character - much like Kristin - as the audience would be extremely angry with the person they believed to be responsible for breaking up the golden couple.
Cliff was well aware that Katherine wanted Bobby. He could have told Pamela what Katherine was up to at any point. He did not because Cliff was selfish. He did not because Cliff was obsessed with getting revenge on the Ewings. He did not because he was feuding with JR and Bobby.
The never-ending fight between their families, with them caught in the middle, was the real problem in Bobby and Pam's marriage/relationship. The Shakespearean tale of the bitter rivalry between the Montagues and the Capulets is what doomed this couple's marriage. There is nothing ordinary about that.
I loved the family rivalry. Romeo and Juliet is my favorite play by Shakespeare. I just wish someone had told me that this was the plot for Bobby and Pam. Perhaps I would not have become so invested in their story.
For me, Bobby and Pam's divorce was a very sad moment on Dallas. I did not want to see Bobby and Pam get divorced! Bobby and Pam were supposed to grow old together as a happily married couple. They were supposed to become Jock and Miss Ellie, caretakers of Southfork. You cannot become Jock and Miss Ellie if you get divorced - even if you remarry.
The writers should have left Bobby and Pam alone! Why did they HAVE to get divorced? You want drama? How about let them have that baby we were waiting on forever! For once, let Pam almost have a miscarriage. Let Pam have a long and complicated pregnancy. Let them have a child with special needs. Give us something, anything! This story line was tortuous ever time! After all, Pam was going to die forever anyway! Pick up with Shakespeare's tragedy from there.
Bobby and Pam are a SUPERCOUPLE. for a reason. Their love for each other is beautiful and so very enjoyable to watch. The way that they look at and touch each other is beautiful. The things that they say to each other, especially in Deliverance (Season 8) , sound straight out of a romance novel. And, Swan Song is simply beautiful, even if it is sad. I am not crying just because Bobby is dead. I am crying because after two incredibly long years of separation, our star-crossed lovers have finally reconciled, only to have Bobby die. He is run down in Pam's driveway, trying to save her. Pam's scream is still haunting.
Patrick Duffy and Victoria Principal are simply perfection as Bobby and Pamela. Neither one of them could be replaced.
I thank both of them for providing THE most beautiful moments of television of my childhood, my tween and teen years. I thank them for bringing me joy - even now as I rediscover this great show.
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Having them apart makes for a better storyline with Bobby and Pam caught in the middle of the Barnes-Ewing feud and having to make difficult choices.
The writing was good at times, not so much at others in examining this dynamic
The writing was good at times, not so much at others in examining this dynamic
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They shouldn't have split up, especially just for added drama and tension. If their being together was the foundations of Dallas their love should've been strong enough to withstand the friction of their families.
It was mostly Pam caught in the middle of her husband and brother when it should've also been Bobby caught between his wife and strong willed family, but Bobby was always against Cliff and any attempts to humour him for Pam's sake were short lived.
Even in the early days Bobby could be a right pompous, chauvinist, arrogant power hungry husband who had no problem flaunting Jenna right under Pam's nose and saw his behaviour as fine. As usual it was Pam who caved in and confronted her.
His behaviour during the fight for Ewing Oil was almost unbearable.
Bobby was happy for Pam to move out because of JR's actions and yet told Gary JR wasn't that bad. Bobby only ever used his fists on JR and mostly defended him without really putting forward a good enough argument to defend his wife.
Bobby was often the peace maker in other people's relationships, but rarely his own.
It was mostly Pam caught in the middle of her husband and brother when it should've also been Bobby caught between his wife and strong willed family, but Bobby was always against Cliff and any attempts to humour him for Pam's sake were short lived.
Even in the early days Bobby could be a right pompous, chauvinist, arrogant power hungry husband who had no problem flaunting Jenna right under Pam's nose and saw his behaviour as fine. As usual it was Pam who caved in and confronted her.
His behaviour during the fight for Ewing Oil was almost unbearable.
Bobby was happy for Pam to move out because of JR's actions and yet told Gary JR wasn't that bad. Bobby only ever used his fists on JR and mostly defended him without really putting forward a good enough argument to defend his wife.
Bobby was often the peace maker in other people's relationships, but rarely his own.