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<blockquote data-quote="Mel O&#039;Drama" data-source="post: 401577" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>Oh yes. Yes. Now you've said that I can't <em>not</em> see it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely. Between some of the Corkhills' material and some terrific moments from all concerned in the Grants', there's a feeling of grit which, as you observed, makes even the more conventionally soapy contrivances feel more meaningful and substantial. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and both of these facts were acknowledged within the series. In particular, Sheila not putting her family first has created an incredible tension at Number Five, with Bobby furious about it. His rants at both George and Sheila made clear his loyalties were to "his" people (his immediate family, and the union members in his city), and so should theirs be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It certainly does, and I've been wondering why at this time in particular. I had wondered if there was a general election or something, but on looking the next one wouldn't be until the following year. But then again, the Eighties were a particularly volatile time politically and I'm sure there was plenty of material to take aim at.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This crossed my mind too. Well, kind of. I kept wondering how different it would be if Katrin had been portraying Lucy at this point, and trying to work out if I would buy it. She was always the rebel, so I'm sure it could have happened back when she was still around. Perhaps that would have been viewed as too conventional for early Eighties <em>Brookie</em>, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know if it was the memory of that Petra scene informing this one, but I actually felt quite concerned for Lucy's wellbeing when Sandra found her in the car. It was a nice moment for both. I (sometimes) like that Sandra has a short fuse, but I also think Sheila Grier shows empathy really well given the right screen partner, and this was one of them for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a fair observation, I'd say. I did appreciate that Maggie Saunders went ugly as far as Lucy's been concerned. I don't know if it was me adjusting to the different actress, but it felt like she took a while to get that edge to her. But she delivered in the end (a bit like Emma Samms in <em>Dynasty's</em> last season or so). And I never stopped thinking to myself that she did look very believable as Doreen Sloane's daughter (whereas Katrin's Lucy looked more like she'd inherited more of Paul's features).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is really interesting. Weirdly, I don't remember that storyline with Michelle, even though I'm fairly sure I'd still have been watching <em>EastEnders</em> at that point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I hadn't made that link between the two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. It would be handled very differently indeed today. Hasn't <em>Corrie</em> done similar storylines more recently? I'd imagine the tone of those was different.</p><p></p><p>I'm sure young viewers watching this for the first time today would be horrified by the way this played out (what, no Old Testament retribution?). It's bizarre to think of mid-Eighties <em>Brookie</em> as a relic of the past. I wonder what that says about those of us who were watching it back then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel I missed out by not being cool enough to watch<em> The Tube</em> back in the day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Glad you're enjoying the benefits of streaming. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wonderful stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mel O'Drama, post: 401577, member: 23"] Oh yes. Yes. Now you've said that I can't [I]not[/I] see it. Absolutely. Between some of the Corkhills' material and some terrific moments from all concerned in the Grants', there's a feeling of grit which, as you observed, makes even the more conventionally soapy contrivances feel more meaningful and substantial. Yes, and both of these facts were acknowledged within the series. In particular, Sheila not putting her family first has created an incredible tension at Number Five, with Bobby furious about it. His rants at both George and Sheila made clear his loyalties were to "his" people (his immediate family, and the union members in his city), and so should theirs be. It certainly does, and I've been wondering why at this time in particular. I had wondered if there was a general election or something, but on looking the next one wouldn't be until the following year. But then again, the Eighties were a particularly volatile time politically and I'm sure there was plenty of material to take aim at. This crossed my mind too. Well, kind of. I kept wondering how different it would be if Katrin had been portraying Lucy at this point, and trying to work out if I would buy it. She was always the rebel, so I'm sure it could have happened back when she was still around. Perhaps that would have been viewed as too conventional for early Eighties [I]Brookie[/I], though. I don't know if it was the memory of that Petra scene informing this one, but I actually felt quite concerned for Lucy's wellbeing when Sandra found her in the car. It was a nice moment for both. I (sometimes) like that Sandra has a short fuse, but I also think Sheila Grier shows empathy really well given the right screen partner, and this was one of them for me. That's a fair observation, I'd say. I did appreciate that Maggie Saunders went ugly as far as Lucy's been concerned. I don't know if it was me adjusting to the different actress, but it felt like she took a while to get that edge to her. But she delivered in the end (a bit like Emma Samms in [I]Dynasty's[/I] last season or so). And I never stopped thinking to myself that she did look very believable as Doreen Sloane's daughter (whereas Katrin's Lucy looked more like she'd inherited more of Paul's features). This is really interesting. Weirdly, I don't remember that storyline with Michelle, even though I'm fairly sure I'd still have been watching [I]EastEnders[/I] at that point. And I hadn't made that link between the two. Yes. It would be handled very differently indeed today. Hasn't [I]Corrie[/I] done similar storylines more recently? I'd imagine the tone of those was different. I'm sure young viewers watching this for the first time today would be horrified by the way this played out (what, no Old Testament retribution?). It's bizarre to think of mid-Eighties [I]Brookie[/I] as a relic of the past. I wonder what that says about those of us who were watching it back then. I feel I missed out by not being cool enough to watch[I] The Tube[/I] back in the day. Glad you're enjoying the benefits of streaming. Wonderful stuff. [/QUOTE]
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