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I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread about thoughts that don’t really warrant their own threads. For the first time in a long time, I’m re-watching the dream season. Not bad so far. But was right for Miss Ellie to guilt trip Pam into not selling her shares to Jeremy Windell just because she felt sorry for JR?
 

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I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread about thoughts that don’t really warrant their own threads.
Great idea for a thread, @Billy Wall

I agree it was out of character for Miss Ellie to step between J.R. and Pam the way she did. I think she was worried that without Bobby, there was very little left to keep J.R. at Southfork. And without Ewing Oil, there would be almost no reason for J.R. to stick around.
She may get mad at him, but Miss Ellie wouldn't want J.R. to ever be totally defeated and simply leave Southfork (and maybe even Dallas).
 

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I wish they’d at least mentioned Pam’s first husband Edison Faraday Haynes at some point in the rest of the series. I suppose another appearance would have been too much to ask for, but a barb or two from JR or Cliff would have been totally doable.

 

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saw something straight out of an early Dallas episode today in the mid-season finale of Better Call Saul:

the final piece of Jimmy and Kim's scam against Howard Hamlin is straight out of Divorce Ewing Style , with an almost identical private eye evidence switcheraoo! I wonder if that's where, even subconsciously, the writers got the idea..
 

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I’ve always skipped the dream season in my re-watches, but it’s not a bad season so far. It made good use of Sue Ellen’s mother. And as I type this, Dusty is the only person that has caught JR eavesdropping on the balcony as he says goodbye.

Season 9, Episode 13, original air date December 13, is probably the closest thing Dallas did to a Christmas episode. If you listen to the music in the background during the closing, it was very Christmasy while the entire family was together for the first time in a long time.
 

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As English is not my 1st language I always wondered if being called a saddletramp is really that offensive. JR is the only one I know who I ever heard using that term (and of course he meant it to be offensive towards Sue Ellen and Clayton in the room).

Is it?
Do people use it? It feels dated Thanks.
 

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As English is not my 1st language I always wondered if being called a saddletramp is really that offensive. JR is the only one I know who I ever heard using that term (and of course he meant it to be offensive towards Sue Ellen and Clayton in the room).

Is it?
Do people use it? It feels dated Thanks.

JR’s the only person I’ve ever hear use that term and who is JR to call anyone a tramp? Lol
 

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As English is not my 1st language I always wondered if being called a saddletramp is really that offensive. JR is the only one I know who I ever heard using that term (and of course he meant it to be offensive towards Sue Ellen and Clayton in the room).
Is it?

I live in Texas and have some insight into this. A saddle tramp is a cowboy who moves from ranch to ranch working sporadically and then moving on, leaving a bunch of debts behind.

It's always the same story, "I have a check coming from Southfork Ranch" or "The oil company made a mistake on my last check and they are mailing me a new one". So when they ask you to loan them a few dollars, you are inclined to do it because they have a check coming "any day now".

Surprise, surprise. That check never shows up, and once they owe everybody in town, they take off.
Do people use it? It feels dated Thanks.

The last time I heard it was when J.R. said it in Dallas. Today we simply call them "scammers."

"Ray, don't hire him. He's a scammer and after he leaves you'll spend months noticing tools that have gone missing."
 
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Thanks for your informative reply - especially @Lastkidpicked.

I have another detail to ponder. Pam orders in the dream season a cup of tea ftom Phylis before she narrows it down to cup of herbal tea.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But the mentioning of tea is so un-Dallas, even un-American for me. People there drink coffee (in my perspective, when I was living there).

I'll always chuckle because Pam - Dallas all American girl - never crossed my mind as a tea drinker. Tea stands for her calmness she wants to portray towards JR and the knowledge about the existence of herbal tea symbolizes European aristocracy which the dream season tries to depict partially.

Anyone who feels the same?
And the big question - Do Texans drink tea? In the series they mostly drank hard liquor, coffee in the morning and of course there was SueEllen's club-soda-phase.
 
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I have another detail to ponder. Pam orders in the dream season a cup of tea from Phylis before she narrows it down to cup of herbal tea.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But the mentioning of tea is so un-Dallas, even un-American for me. People there drink coffee (in my perspective, when I was living there).

This is a perfect example of a power move. Pam couldn't have done it any better!

Pam had just arrived at Ewing Oil and taken over Bobby's office. J.R. was telling her that she couldn't be anywhere in the building, let alone Bobby's office.

Pam is able to cut the argument short by pressing the intercom button to raise Phyllis.
"Phyllis, I'd like a cup of tea, please. Herbal tea." Pam looks at J.R. "Do you want anything?"

Pam accomplishes three things with this power move.

1) By buzzing Phyllis on the intercom, Pam shows that one of the highest level executive secretaries is now Pam's executive level secretary. All the arguing in the world would not accomplish what was done when Pam simply buzzed Phyllis. Great power move.

2) By specifically requesting herbal tea, Pam was showing the world that she would drink what she liked. No need to try and be "one of the boys" by asking for a Bourbon and Branch, or asking for coffee. Oh yes, Pam is her own person, that is for sure!

3) By looking at J.R. and asking, "Do you want anything?" Pam is showing that she is equal to J.R. She is asking J.R if he wants anything to drink the same way that any other equal partner would ask the question.

Oh yes, this is a brilliant power move by Pam.
 
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This is a perfect example of a power move. Pam couldn't have done it any better!

Pam had just arrived at Ewing Oil and taken over Bobby's office. J.R. was telling her that she couldn't be anywhere in the building, let alone Bobby's office.

Pam is able to cut the argument short by pressing the intercom button to raise Phyllis.
"Phyllis, I'd like a cup of tea, please. Herbal tea." Pam looks at J.R. "Do you want anything?"

Pam accomplishes three things with this power move.

1) By buzzing Phyllis on the intercom, Pam shows that one of the highest level executive secretaries is now Pam's executive level secretary. All the arguing in the world would not accomplish what was done when Pam simply buzzed Phyllis. Great power move.

2) By specifically requesting herbal tea, Pam was showing the world that she would drink what she liked. No need to try and be "one of the boys" by asking for a Bourbon and Branch, or asking for coffee. Oh yes, Pam is her own person, that is for sure!

3) By looking at J.R. and asking, "Do you want anything?" Pam is showing that she is equal to J.R. She is asking J.R if he wants anything to drink the same way that any other equal partner would ask the question.

Oh yes, this is a brilliant power move by Pam.
indeed, Pam had evolved quite a bit since her early days on Southfork

 

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Indeed, Pam had evolved quite a bit since her early days on Southfork

This is what I enjoy about the early episodes. They took time and energy to block each scene so that the position of the actors and their body language tells a story to back up the dialogue.

Here's a fun experiment. Pretend that you have no idea of Dallas or the characters. You can understand a lot just by looking at this one screenshot.

The woman standing: She is standing "hat in hand" as she speaks with the woman seated. She is looking for approval from the seated woman.

The woman seated: She is the one in charge here. She remains seated and comfortable. Notice her body language shows openness. She just might be open to this younger woman.

Now look at the background. The man standing there is literally facing away from the conversation. Close enough to hear, but far enough not to be involved. He wants no part of this.
He is looking out over his ranch. He would rather be working the cattle, working the horses, anything besides dealing with this new interloper.

The attention to detail is amazing.

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I wonder who thinks Donna Reed did a good job...

:danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
Just kidding! Gotcha!!

She just changed the character too much. Miss Ellie was never meant to be glamorous.

Watching the dream season for the 1st time I can remember and a lot of it is new to me. Pretty good so far. Nice to see Cliff in a different environment when he was in the jungle and Mark Grayson vs “The Beastmaster” was probably the best fight in all of Dallas.

Is there a reason Howard Keel missed numerous episodes during the dream season?
 

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Is there a reason Howard Keel missed numerous episodes during the dream season?
I think he had a heart attack but they managed to make his absence unnoticeable, at least to me.

Another random though: Did Swellin go to the toiler (ever)?


"Actually not. I´m too classy for that"

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"Before leaving for the Ball, does anyone wants
to pee? Swellin?"

 

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I was rewatching the scene where Miss Ellie tells JR and Bobby that he gave half of Southfork to Clayton.
Bobby had a distasteful look on his face, even though he accepted it with difficulty.
JR was 100% right to object. It stopped being solely a Southworth legacy when Jock saved it from the auction block.
Bobby should have supported JR, instead of enabling Miss Ellie's
shameful disregard for her sons.

If Miss Ellie predeceased Clayton, then presumably Clayton would be the sole owner, unless Texas Law says differently,
and The Ewing children/grandchildren would have no claim.
Miss Ellie did give away a Ewing birthright, it was a disgrace to Jock's memory.

JR was right to point out that Clayton was getting the benefit of Jock's hard work.
Shame on Miss Ellie for whining and rationalizing that JR and Bobby had their own lives, and trying to guilt trip JR about caring for
her happiness, when she didn't care about how this decision would effect her children.

I wish JR had continued to stay away from Southfork, and have the writers develop a story where
he manipulates events to gain the title.

I wonder who thinks Donna Reed did a good job...

:danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
Just kidding! Gotcha!!
It may be unpopular but I think Donna Reed has some good moments.

There was the scene with Sue Ellen when she talked about how JR worshipped his father, and how Ewing Oil was
what he had left of his father, and how Sue Ellen was the one of the two who had the best ability to
heal their marriage.
I once read that Donna Read knew of Oil Baron and their wives back in Oklahoma, and how
she modeled the character as such.
Donna Reed certainly dressed more stylishly than BBG
People forget than Donna Reed won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in "From Here to Eternity"
portrayed Mary Baily in "It's a Wonderful Life" and led her own sitcom, "The Donna Reed Show"
for 8 seasons, a show in which she was more assertive than most TV mothers of the era.

I could understand that her role on Dallas didn't please everyone, but she was a respected, accomplished actress.
 

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I was rewatching the scene where Miss Ellie tells JR and Bobby that she gave half of Southfork to Clayton.
Bobby had a distasteful look on his face, even though he accepted it with difficulty.

This is exactly the problem in the later years. It seems as if there was to be a storyline behind this, but it just fizzled out.
As @James from London would say, the scene did nothing to move things forward.
 

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I was rewatching the scene where Miss Ellie tells JR and Bobby that he gave half of Southfork to Clayton.
Bobby had a distasteful look on his face, even though he accepted it with difficulty.
JR was 100% right to object. It stopped being solely a Southworth legacy when Jock saved it from the auction block.
Bobby should have supported JR, instead of enabling Miss Ellie's
shameful disregard for her sons.

If Miss Ellie predeceased Clayton, then presumably Clayton would be the sole owner, unless Texas Law says differently,
and The Ewing children/grandchildren would have no claim.
Miss Ellie did give away a Ewing birthright, it was a disgrace to Jock's memory.

JR was right to point out that Clayton was getting the benefit of Jock's hard work.
Shame on Miss Ellie for whining and rationalizing that JR and Bobby had their own lives, and trying to guilt trip JR about caring for
her happiness, when she didn't care about how this decision would effect her children.

I wish JR had continued to stay away from Southfork, and have the writers develop a story where
he manipulates events to gain the title.

She probably shouldn’t have given half of Southfork to Clayton and he probably shouldn’t have even accepted it knowing that it would cause problems. With that being said, Miss Ellie had every legal right to do what she did. And what exactly could JR do about it?

I’m also sure Miss Ellie was smart enough to have it in her will that if she would died before Clayton and after Clayton died, that Southfork would go to either JR or Bobby.
 

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This is exactly the problem in the later years. It seems as if there was to be a storyline behind this, but it just fizzled out.
As @James from London would say, the scene did nothing to move things forward.
It would have been an interesting plot to develop further. We could have seen some interesting layers of Clayton's character. The way he was written I would think he would not accept Miss Ellie's offer and would actually agree with JR. It doesn't seem in keeping with his character to take it unless the writers showed another shade of him. Also, imho, his accepting this should created a wedge in his relationship with Bobby whom I expected to side with JR.
Clayton is a good, principled man, but he did almost propose to his son's ex-lover, not considering the pain that could cause Dusty. His accepting SF shows he's not perfect.
 
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