TJames03
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Thanks to whomever made this!!!!!!
Dallas died here........
Dead after indeed I could never warm to a Victoria Principal free Dallas. Way too important to lose.
I think that the decline of Dallas started during 84-85 season and it never achieved the quality of prime seasons 78-84 as i don’t see the 86-87 season as that big of a comeback season as some people do.
So they just could’t come up with anything less retarded?
It was almost like that they intentionally wanted to get rid of the credibility what Dallas still had left at that point. They succeeded, which was probably last time they succeeded at something.
”Oh Barnes, you just get dumber and dumber every day”
I turned that JR’s classic line to: Oh producers, you just get dumber and dumber every season.
Watching the above video and the shared scene between Pam and Christopher when he questions his adoption shows how atrocious the writers treated the character of Pam in Lorimar Dallas and then Christopher in TNT Dallas. Though I wasn't completely satisfied how all those years later we learn the truth of Pam's passing at least we were given some closure and comfort she was determined to return to Dallas and Christopher before cancer claimed her.
As for the treatment of Christopher in TNT Dallas? My 40 year investment in a TV series which still fascinates and torments me has left me with the memory of Christopher getting blown up in a car.
Regarding Pam's "atrocious" scene with Christopher where he asks about his adoption, are you referring to the following scene scene? It's the scene in which Pam tries to make Christopher feel better about it by saying that biological parents have to accept the baby who is born to them but not adoptive parents. Adoptive parents get their pick of all the babies who have been born and out of all those babies, she and Bobby chose Christopher.
I ask you this because I wouldn't call that scene an atrocious treatment of the Pam character. It's true that Pam exaggerates an awful lot by saying adoptive parents have their pick of all the babies who have been born. First of all, most babies aren't put up for adoption at all. Second, of the babies who are put up for adoption, Bobby nd Pam hardly had their pick of all those babies. As a nmatter of fact, they weren't given a pick of any of those babies because they were still on the waiting list. Then Bobby bought Christopher. Yes, he actually bought rather than adopted Christopher. Later they did adopt him but that was several months after they bought him. So it was never a situation where Pam and Bobby were presented with even 10 or 12 babies and given their choice of which baby they wanted to adopt. So Pam exaggerated a hell of a lot to Christopher in response to his question. Technically she lied, but it was a white lie. It wasn't a lie that would hurt Christopher; it just was designed to make him feel better which is an admirable intention. I wouldn't call that an atrocious treatment of the character of Pam and I'm wondering why you called it that, or were you referring to some other scene which was atrocious?
By the way, Rove, while I'm asking you questions, there's something else that fits in well with the subject of this thread that I'd like your opinion on. Suppose, just hypothetically, that they had gone ahead and killed the Pam character by saying she died in the collision and resulting massive explosion at the end of season 10. Then suppose that during the break between season 11 and season 12, they'd gotten a phone call from Victoria Principal in which she said to them that her movie career wasn't turning out as she'd hoped, and she wanted to return to Dallas.
If that happened and they decided to bring her back by calling season 11 a dream, and that the dream actually began with Pam was driving home from the doctor's office, almost getting in an accident, and then actually getting into that awful collision with the oil truck. So the end of season 10 and all of season 11 would be someone's dream. They'd be repeating what they did when they found out Patrick Duffy wanted to return. The downside is of course the reaction by the audience to yet another dream season! The upside is they get back Victoria Principal. In your opinion would it have been worth it to bring Victoria back if that's how they were going to do it?
That last bit is an interesting question one.never asked before on here, whose dream would it have been? Nevertheless I doubt if VP wanted to return to Dallas in the Autumn of 1988 they would not use the dream scenario again.
Thanks! That's quite an honor - having come up with a question nobody has ever asked on here, given how long it has been since Dallas ended and the thousands of questions that have been asked here!
I came up with the question by taking what would seem like the least desirable thing to do (having yet another dream season), but having the reward for doing so be the thing that CBS, Lorimar and the team of people who made Dallas would most want (having Victoria Principal return). If there is anything that would make them decide it's worth it to have a second dream season, it would be getting Victoria Principal back on Dallas. Especially since in season 11 they were really hurting in the ratings - at least compared to what the show used to do ratings-wise.
I haven't decided whose dream it would be but since it would begin with Pam and something absolutely terrible happening to her, the most natural seeming choices would be that it would be Bobby's nightmare or Christopher's nightmare, or possibly Cliff's nightmare. I would rule out Pam since she had the other dream and it would be especially repetitive to have her have this dream as well as the first dream season's dream. This dream has too much technical stuff Christopher wouldn't know about to be able to dream it so that leaves Bobby and Cliff as the people who might have had this nightmare. Since it contained something that could be considered the realization of Pam and Bobby's greatest wish - that doctors could find a way for Pam to be able to carry a baby to term, I think it would be Bobby's dream.
Pams departure was far more detrimental to the series than Bobby's was, and it didn't help that Pam's role in the series was gradually wound down to that of someone weaker than she should have been, I do wonder how Pak would have been handled had she stayed on the series beyond 1987.
They would have been better off killing Pam off right there. Nobody would survived those flames that we saw.
The thing is with DALLAS is that its first six years: 1978 to 1984, it could do no wrong, the series was at its strongest, the entire original cast (except of course Jim Davis)
As some one said earlier the 1984-85 season was when the rot was starting to set in with repetitive storylines (seriously the Who shot Bobby story was basically a do over of who shot JR) the Donna Reed issue and a sense of lackluster and tiredness in general.
The 1985-86 was the best opportunity to reboot the series, after a decade on the air big changes were needed and Bobby's death was necessary, but then along comes the dream scenario and it messes everything up.
The 1986-87 season wasn't so much the renewed season, but more like a sunset on a once great series, it was based purely on nostalgia for the past on a slow decline downward.
Pams departure was far more detrimental to the series than Bobby's was, and it didn't help that Pam's role in the series was gradually wound down to that of someone weaker than she should have been, I do wonder how Pak would have been handled had she stayed on the series beyond 1987.
In what aspects do you think Pam was weaker than she should have been in her last season?
As some one said earlier the 1984-85 season was when the rot was starting to set in with repetitive storylines (seriously the Who shot Bobby story was basically a do over of who shot JR) the Donna Reed issue and a sense of lackluster and tiredness in general.
In what aspects do you think Pam was weaker than she should have been in her last season?
They had her constantly whining over Jenna's baby, I felt that was out of character, the Pam of 1978-84 would have been angry, granted, but she would have developed a pragmatic way to the situation, maybe even reach out to Jenna in a way that didn't involve buying her unborn child, I felt sorry for VP during that year.
Pam during the dream year was strong and fought hard, this what we were building up to for all those years, I felt Katzman was punishing VP in her final season since she was a vocal Capice supporter
I know Pam had her moments of being weak but she would later comeback stronger in her earlier years.
What I loved about Pam is that she more or less became Lucy's foster mother within just a few episodes, she wasn't about to let Lucy run wild like how the other Ewings did, she took that upon herself and took Lucy to school, dealt with Lucy's stalker, I think that of all the friendships on DALLAS Pam and Lucy is the one I wished the writers kept up.
Kenny, sorry for any confusion. I meant how the writers ineviatably treated the character of Pam by having her survive the explosion. Then had no clue how to go forward since Victoria wasn't coming back so had her vanish from the hospital only for Margaret Michaels to be employed so Leonard Katzman could feel warm and fuzzy on how beautifully he gave closure to the character and at the same time appease the fans.I ask you this because I wouldn't call that scene an atrocious treatment of the Pam character.