Finally, There Is A Genuine Brexit Bonus!

[Angela Channing]

Brexit supporters have always said there would be numerous benefits to leaving the EU but up until now they not only have been non-existent, but instead we have become more and more aware of the disaster that Brexit has caused our country.

A new analysis carried out by the Financial Times has found what I consider to be a very significant Brexit bonus: it has caused young people to hate the Tories even more than before. Up until the EU referendum, the share of young Britons who said they "strongly dislike" the Conservative party was steady at 20% for a long period of time. Since the vote to leave the EU it has climbed steadily and is now double that level.

 

[9unfold]

The referendum was 2016 so some of the age group canvassed would have been 10 years old. They, in effect, don't know what being in the EU meant and everything else that accompanied it.

The poll is claiming that "Brexit appears to have acted as...." That statement is opinion and I suggest that it would not stand up to scrutiny. Plenty of other factors would feed the 18 - 34 age groups view of the current regime. Who's to say how they will vote in the next general election.

I think that remaining in the EU would be more beneficial. But the Tory's are not to blame for the referendum results. The public should carry this one.

 

[Angela Channing]

The referendum was 2016 so some of the age group canvassed would have been 10 years old. They, in effect, don't know what being in the EU meant and everything else that accompanied it.

The poll is claiming that "Brexit appears to have acted as...." That statement is opinion and I suggest that it would not stand up to scrutiny. Plenty of other factors would feed the 18 - 34 age groups view of the current regime. Who's to say how they will vote in the next general election.

I think that remaining in the EU would be more beneficial. But the Tory's are not to blame for the referendum results. The public should carry this one.

The tragedy of Brexit is that it was primarily old people voting to restrict the opportunities of young people. I think young people know at least as much (and probably more) about the EU than older people because they are generally more politically aware and engaged with the facts of political issues. According to polls, older people who voted leave now regret their vote.

The Tories are absolutely to blame. They called the referendum, they promoted the lies about what leaving the EU would mean for us, they pushed the idea that we would have more money, sign many new lucrative trade deals, have lower immigration, lower food prices, more money for public services, all of which never materialised. The blame the public should accept is not finding out the true facts rather than believing Tory lies.

 

[Biggie]

The Tories are absolutely to blame. They called the referendum, they promoted the lies about what leaving the EU

The Tory party just happened to be in government when the moment arrived to call the referendum. The reasons to leave as promoted by the Tory party and others on that side of the fence were countered by the reasons to remain as trumpeted by the remain camp. I recall that both side made equal noise with claim and counter-claim.
Both sides bent and skewed the facts in their favor. Then there also some massive untrue claims made by both. It's was down to the voting public to process what they heard and vote accordingly.

Blaming the Tory party for offering the county a chance to settle the matter after years of pressure building up for a referendum was a prudent move. The leave vote was a fag paper width in front of the remain vote. But 50% plus one vote is the winning line. The Tory really are not to blame for giving the public a chance to choose.

 

[Angela Channing]

The Tory party just happened to be in government when the moment arrived to call the referendum. The reasons to leave as promoted by the Tory party and others on that side of the fence were countered by the reasons to remain as trumpeted by the remain camp. I recall that both side made equal noise with claim and counter-claim.
Both sides bent and skewed the facts in their favor. Then there also some massive untrue claims made by both. It's was down to the voting public to process what they heard and vote accordingly.

Blaming the Tory party for offering the county a chance to settle the matter after years of pressure building up for a referendum was a prudent move. The leave vote was a fag paper width in front of the remain vote. But 50% plus one vote is the winning line. The Tory really are not to blame for giving the public a chance to choose.

I would agree with you if the public were given the true facst on which to base how they voted. Instead we were told the following:

1. THE LIE: "We send the EU £350m a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead." Boris Johnson's Brexit Bus
THE TRUTH: the UK did not send the EU £350m a week because this figure didn't included the UK rebate nor did it take into account the amount of money that came back into the UK from the EU.

2. THE LIE: Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU - "This will not only increase the strain on Britain’s public services, but it will also create a number of threats to UK security." - Penny Mordant
THE TRUTH: Turkey was no more about to join the EU in 2016 than it is now and there is no realistic prospect of this happening.

3. THE LIE: “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market” - Daniel Hannan Conservative MEP (now Conservative peer).
THE TRUTH: The Tories promised single market access for UK business after leaving the EU but we left the single market and screwed businesses that traded with the EU.

4. THE LIE: “We can take back control over UK waters, set our own fishing policies, and support our fishermen” - Boris Johnson
THE TRUTH: With the UK now outside the Common Fisheries Policy, all UK exports now have to have health certificates, catch certificates and customs declarations adding to the cost to fishers which far outweigh any larger quotas that we have gained through Brexit. It is estimated that this is costing the industry £79.5m a year.

5. THE LIE: “Britain will be forced to join an EU ARMY unless we leave” - Penny Mordaunt
THE TRUTH: There were no plans to form an EU army and even if there were, the UK could not have been “forced” to participate in EU military policies even if we had stayed in.

6. THE LIE: “The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support, or perhaps even more, as now” George Eustice MP.
THE TRUTH: This never happened and the subsidy schemes the Tories introduced were (in my view deliberately) so complex and the paperwork so demanding that most farmers were unable to apply.

7. THE LIE: “Believe me, we’ll have up to 40 [free trade agreements] ready for one second after midnight in March 2019” - Liam Fox MP
THE TRUTH: The post-Brexit trade deals that have been signed were overwhelmingly just simply roll-over agreements that continue pre-Brexit arrangements. The new deals include agreements with Australia (estimated to increase UK GDP by 0.08%) and New Zealand (between 0.01% and -0.01%), and both of these are far more beneficial to those nations than to Britain, screwing over UK farmers once again.

I could go on as there were so many lies that the leave campaign was based on. And what to the above examples all have in common? They were lies told by Tories to dupe people into voting for the disaster that is Brexit. The Tories are to blame but as I said, the bonus is that it has turned even more young people against that ghastly right-wing Conservative Party.

 

[Biggie]

"We send the EU £350m a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead

That was never going to happen. That claim was a fabrication that was so painfully obvious to anyone that gave it a few seconds of consideration. Looked good on the bus, The duty of the citizen is to process information and make an informed decision. That ability is beyond some. I told a twit of a man "Billie Piper has one eye". Complete BS that was in plain sight as she was getting ubiquitous press at the time.... I stayed on message and eventually the man believed me. That's how propaganda finds its believers.

“Britain will be forced to join an EU ARMY unless we leave”

Only the deluded would swallow that nonsense. Words fail. Flat earth is easier to suck up. And so on.

My take away is the the people that voted leave don't understand that any entity that want an outcome that favours their interest will willfully offer misleading or skewed faux facts. Politicians sell snake oil, promising a "new tomorrow", and stay on message. The public that didn't scrutinize the nonsense claims are to blame.

C'mon Billie Piper has two eyes. EU army.... I've never crossed path with a multilingual squaddie. The man is gonna get his junk shot of before he grasps Flemish.