Grande Dame Guignol

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I would never expect too much from wide-eyed Stella Stevens but even with that reservation I was alternately bored and annoyed by The Mad Room.
Wooden acting (except for Shelley Winters), insipid dialogue, meandering sequences that do nothing for the character or plot, and while I don't often say "I knew the twist from the very beginning" in this case it's almost obvious from the opening credits (which is nicely done, btw).
The highlight is a drunken wife who calls her husband a male whore.

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I would never expect too much from wide-eyed Stella Stevens but even with that reservation I was alternately bored and annoyed by The Mad Room.
Wooden acting (except for Shelley Winters), insipid dialogue, meandering sequences that do nothing for the character or plot, and while I don't often say "I knew the twist from the very beginning" in this case it's almost obvious from the opening credits (which is nicely done, btw).
The highlight is a drunken wife who calls her husband a male whore.

And you
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you made me watch this.

The drunken wife is Beverly Garland, TV's first lady cop in DECOY -- back in 1957! (It was syndicated and only ran a year -- but was the first effort and became a bit of a cult show).

 

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I still say STRAIT-JACKET could have been one of the best of the bunch (instead of one of the worst).

It needed clocks ticking (and occasionally chiming), barred owls hooting at opportune moments -- especially right before a murder (and because I just heard one outside my window, which is what made me think to make this post), cricket sounds, lightning and thunder (especially after the Fields' party falls apart), and, of course, way better B&W camera work.

Even the (lack of) door-creakings, and axe-strokes during the killings, are off-paced.

Jeez.

I've decided that the exchange in the dimly-lit (which should have been more dimly-lit than it was) farm house living room, following the murder of the doctor, that conversation between Carol and Lucy (when Carol finds her mother's knitting on the floor), should be the quiet, karmic peak of the movie -- with a slightly longer soliloquy speech by Crawford, as a grandfather clock's "tick-tock" resonates throughout in the background unnervingly. Leading to Lucy screaming, after already saying it two or three times, "The doctor's gonnnnnnne!" eight more times. Exactly eight times. As the camera dollies towards her face, visibly over her daughter's shoulder.

And Carol, dressed as Lucy, should pull the axe out of the door frame near the end, and traverse her way through the bathroom towards the mansion's upstairs study. Whacking Mrs. Fields twice with the axe (where Mrs. Fields lays behind the desk, not visible to the camera, having just been electrocuted by a bolt of lightning while on the phone to the police), chocolate syrup spraying the wall just for effect. So you know she's dead and stuff.

So many missed opportunities.

Instead, we got this:



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There's the script (far too many scenes end with lines like "You understand, don't you...?"), some of the acting (Diane Baker is a very good actress, but you wouldn't know it from this), the music score reminiscent of an early-'60s sitcom (oh, if only Castle's favorite composer, Von Dexter, hadn't been sidelined by an orthopedic disease which ruined his hands), the choppy editing, and -- worst of all -- the hapless camerawork by Oscar-winning Arthur Arling (best known for THE YEARLING and Doris Day movies with soft-filter close-ups because Day was in her geriatric thirties) because Castle's favorite cinematographer, Joseph Biroc, proved to be unavailable as he was shooting VIVA LAS VEGAS (with Elvis and Ann-Margret). Why all the flat-lighting??

Biroc was a must-have for STRAIT-JACKET if it was going to have any chance to work. He was also Robert Aldrich's favorite DP, and would shoot Joan in HUSH... HUSH, SWEET CHARLOTTE (before she pulled out of the movie) and, two years after STRAIT-JACKET, he'd photograph Joan again for William Castle's I SAW WHAT YOU DID -- a much more polished film, and far more atmospheric in that strangely cozy way so many of those early-'60s thrillers often were.

Look at I SAW WHAT YOU DID to see what STRAIT-JACKET would have looked like (or how Crawford would have looked had she remained in CHARLOTTE, with her to-period beehive hairdo and giant choker necklaces). Even if nothing else was fixed about STRAIT-JACKET, Joe Biroc -- with his deep shadowing he'd learned during his apprentice years in the silent era, and something he does in the post-production lab work where the register of the blacks & greys cause those shadows to appear conscious and staring back at you -- would've saved the motion picture.

STRAIT-JACKET has a depressing quality about it, but it's that dank, angsty thing that hovered over and encircled the era, the year Kennedy was unceremoniously removed from office by the state (STRAIT-JACKET was filmed in the late-summer of 1963), so I'm fine with that mood to the film.

But it misses the mark so very badly that I consider it a great tragedy of movie history... Again, look what unremembered (and aptly-titled) I SAW WHAT YOU DID to see how STRAIT-JACKET could have felt.

George Kennedy and Leif Erickson are just fine. And the Pepsi vice-president to whom Joan promised the role of the doctor (and apparently had trouble with his lines) is ultimately acceptable, in that his folksy demeanor mostly sells it. And Mr. and Mrs. Fields are properly cast.

Crawford, of course, is terrific.

But amongst William Castle's B-level filmography, STRAIT-JACKET is far-and-away the shittiest entry.

I re-make it, as I've said, in my head every time I see it. Her Edith Head dress in the prologue murder scene is far too dowdy, making Joan appear too flat-chested and dumpy, for the 29-year-old (chuckle!) she's supposed to be. There's the murder itself with no subjective camera view as she creeps into her house to chop up Heath Barkley and the trollop he picked up in a dive bar at the edge of town... As the face of the little girl fades into the present face of Miss Baker, I want to hear rain on the farm house's tin roof and the shadow of that rain cascading down her face as she explains to her fiancé about her mother's homicidal past.

The dimly lit scene between Lucy and Carol, after the doctor has "disappeared", set in the living room in the farm house, should have been, in a way, the spiritual peak of the movie. But it's not dimly lit enough. And when Carol screams, "Mother -- tell me!", the camera should have then moved in voyeuristically on Mom, as she yells, "The doctor's gone!!!" eight times with increasing maniacal intensity (as only Crawford could) and young Carol gasps, "Oh, my God!" and runs out the front door to move the doctor's car into the garage (itself, a pointlessly shot and poorly-edited scene).

Other things: the scene in which mother and daughter first meet as adults should be much more effective: Baker, illuminated from the windows, does a slow turn as a tearful Crawford approaches... And I want the hysterical party at the Fields' house late in the film to be considerably more extreme (perhaps with Mrs. Fields actually slapping Joan when grabbed by the shoulders --- and why? It's just drama, baby). And even later, when the murders at the mansion occur, I want a thunderstorm to slip in and, after Crawford runs out of the master bedroom upon un-masking the killer, Baker pulls her axe out of the doorframe and heads through the connecting bathroom towards the study where Mrs. Fields is on the phone to the police; lightning strikes, Mrs. Fields is electrocuted and thrown against the wall, and Baker, glimpsing the phone melting and smoking on the desk (remember, it's melodrama) lands an axe-chop to Mrs. Fields' body now on the floor behind the desk and out of view of the audience, her blood splattering on the wall; then Miss Baker rushes to the stairwell in pursuit of her mother.... I also want the final "hat grabber" scene (as Hitchcock called the Simon Oakland exposition monologue at the end of PSYCHO) in the art studio to offer the badly-needed explanation that Crawford had been chemically altered (i.e., "Bill, last night I found these two drug vials amongst Carol's things. I called the hospital this morning to find out what they were -- one is a mild hallucinogen, the other a sedative. Carol must have given these to me in my food, my drinks -- my coffee, my tea -- so I would see the things she wanted me to see, and react the way she wanted me to react...") And at the final moments of the scene, when she tells her brother, Bill, that "Carol needs me -- she's needed me for a long time, but I was never there to help her.." have Joan walk towards the bust Carol created of her mother's head (and modeled the mask with which to frame her for murder) and add, "And I wasn't there because of a mistake -- a vile, dreadful mistake -- 8000 midnights ago..." (shades of SUNSET BLVD.) "... a mistake that left her paralyzed psychologically -- emotionally imprisoned --- in a kind of strait-jacket..." (as she pulls the cloth over the bust) "..... all of her life." And thus Joan has recited the film's title (which now makes more sense), the morning sunlight begins filtering through the leaves from a tree outside, and she concludes, "Now, maybe, I can help her." She hugs her brother, and walks out of the art studio, the camera viewing her through the window, over her brother's shoulder, as she strolls into the sunrise in a blustering tornado of autumn leaves. Fade to black. Decapitated 'Columbia' logo. Movie over... The way any Joan Crawford picture worth its salt should end.

Okay, okay, some of those are just my own little personal aesthetic quirks. But you get the idea.

But how did the William Castle film with the most potential wind up his very worst? Did he care too much -- and did that, perversely, have the effect of ruining it??


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I'm usually against remakes (including the '90s Redgrave sisters version) but I've long-wanted a male oriented re-imagining with Jim Carrey and Tom Cruise called WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JIM? In which Carrey plays a child TV star tormenting his brother, Cruise, who became a brat-pack movie icon in the '80s --- until the latter had his tragic and mysterious accident outside their Hollywood home, circa 1993.

They're the right age now, too. If Tom was willing to do one more movie in a wheelchair.

And it's all there: Crazy Carrey and Phony Cruise...

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Watched Weapons (2025) tonight and absolutely loved it! I'm not gonna go into details here but couldn't help but think of the influence of hag horror on one of the movies' crucial characters.
 

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What was the appeal of the 1960s' Grande Dame Guignol genre -- the source of its popularity or its criticism?

I tend to link it to the wealth-based nighttime soap trend of twenty years later, a cultural event with "strong women" from the '80s which was much-discussed at the time and yet were really quite few in number (at least, few that were any good or had any level of success).

I even tend to link Aaron Spelling in my head with William Castle -- two solicitously ambitious Taurean producers with a knack for casting and concept, yet the final product usually displaying minimal actual talent (Spelling more out of cynicism; Castle more out of incompetence). No, not every Spelling series misses the mark quite as much as DYNASTY, and not every Castle movie misses it as much as STRAIT-JACKET, but it's notable that their projects with the most potential ever were also the ones they most bungled.

In my humble opinion.

Why do wicked, crazy women -- deranged mamas -- resonate with the audience as much as they do?

In PSYCHO (1960), Norman Bates has taken over his mother's personality, and the viewer is led to believe she's still alive and homicidally bent. And then comes WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE?, DEAD RINGER, LADY IN A CAGE, THE NIGHT WALKER, STRAIT-JACKET, HUSH... HUSH SWEET CHARLOTTE, DIE! DIE! MY DARLING, THE NANNY, I SAW WHAT YOU DID, THE ANNIVERSARY, WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO AUNT ALICE? among numerous others. And, prior to all these entries, SUNSET BLVD.

All crazy ladies battling it out -- often against one another, just as the '80s glamour soaps seemed to reach their zeniths (at least in terms of their images) when decked-out divas assaulted each other verbally, physically, and status-wise. DALLAS delved into this dynamic the least, but it had its Sue Ellen and its Lady Jessica who hinted at this kind of gal-gothicity which the audience seems to like. DYNASTY embodied this grande dame image the most, but did it far less frequently in reality (yes, there was Alexis and, occasionally, Caress and Sable, there was Dominique, and Mother Blaisdel had tons of possibility in that direction, but its use of Old Hollywood dragon ladies wasn't as much as we remember; there was Barbara Stanwyck for a moment, spinning off to THE COLBYS before soon disappearing completely). FALCON CREST was guiltiest of this kind of shameless stunt-casting, but, aside from Angela Channing herself, few of their mysterious Divas of Danger could hold a candle to the sweet nazi-bedding Bitch Mama of Them All, Jacqueline Perrault (who could only have been played by terminal sex goddess, Lana Turner). KNOTS LANDING had Abby and Ava Gardner, shrieky Karen & Valene, crazy Jill and volatile teen Diana -- but that series was so sublimely character-based that that places it into almost another category entirely.

So, again, what was is the audience's attraction to this type of material? Pudgy male executives never seemed very interested in it (Jack Warner questioned who'd ever even want to see "those two old bitches" before BABY JANE became a smash in 1962 and officially started the Grande Dame Guignol genre), most of the '80s soaps failed to live up to their promise (like DYNASTY and its ballsier sister FALCON CREST) and, frankly, most of the '60s "hag horror" pictures simply weren't very good. (BABY JANE, CHARLOTTE and THE NANNY were the only ones which were solid). The majority of these movies were shlocky, low-brow pictures, fairly artless in their execution and cheesy in their B-movie shocks, featuring scenery-chewing aging cinema icons as vanity casting.

The Hollywood bosses rarely made very many of them (preferring to splatter-kill pretty teenaged girls instead in the wake of 1978's HALLOWEEN), esteemed director George Cukor called the psycho-biddy format "lamentable," Katharine Hepburn eschewed the genre entirely while hissing "I don't have to do the things Bette does," and the feminists hated the genre because it portrayed women as hideous maniacs who abused each other mercilessly, labeling it as "misogynistic" (the bra-burners also hated all the housfrau or sex-kitten characters in movies & TV, only seeming to revere manipulative Golden Age heroines who murdered men and whom basically got away with it -- the Hayes Code notwithstanding ... which is really interesting). Gloria Steinem's criticism of the '80s soaps was that all the high-powered women were "fighting over a man's financial legacy."

Why, then, is the viewer drawn to Grande Dame Guignol, the collective memory of it more impressive -- or offensive -- than what it actually gave us?... It's the same appeal, I'll argue, as those '80s Alexis-era nighttime serials.

This Mommie Dearest syndrome seems to stir some shared primal impulse in the audience, one not everybody wants to delve into but left a weird legacy which is tough to categorize. It seems to reveal something in the filmgoer that moviemakers can't quite resist tapping into, and yet do so much less often than one would expect or remembers.

What does it say about how we view women? Is it "hatred of women" as some have claimed? As nobody complains that all those villainous male characters throughout film history express a misandrist hatred of men.

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Joan looks hungry...

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Joan versus Olivia:
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In the film's original script, more foreshadowing is made regarding the correlation between Miriam (then-played by Joan Crawford) and Jewel Mayhew (played by Mary Astor), as well as the circumstances surrounding the loss of Jewel's fortune.

One of these deleted sequences occurred early in the film, when Miriam's taxi passes Jewel Mayhew's mansion on route to Hollis House. Miriam and the taxi driver notice an auction house moving van leaving after having removed furniture from Jewel's mansion.

This sequence survived into the September 2nd, 1964 script revision, which occurred after Olivia de Havilland was hired to replace Crawford. However, the sequence does not appear in the finished film.

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In the film's original script, "Miriam" (Played by Joan Crawford) catches "Velma" (played by Agnes Moorehead) taking bribe money from a local journalist.
This sequence was filmed when Crawford was involved with the production, but was removed entirely by the time Crawford was replaced by Olivia de Havilland.

The character of "Miriam" wasn't the only one suffering rewrites and scene cuts. Joseph Cotten, Mary Astor and Cecil Kelloway all endured diminished screen time. Interestingly, the only character in the entire film whose scenes were never cut or shortened was those involving "Charlotte" - played by "producer" Bette Davis.

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JOAN CRAWFORD, looking enchanting at the Louisiana Governor's Mansion on the evening of June 3rd, 1964.

Crawford, Bette Davis and the cast of "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte" were invited to a cocktail party at the Governor's Mansion in the film's honor.

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From The Concluding Chapter of Crawford:

JOAN CRAWFORD filming her one and only scene opposite Bette Davis for "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte." It was filmed in front of the Houmas House Plantation near Baton Rouge, Louisiana. (Photographed on June 3rd, 1964)

Many people do not know how differently the film's original script was before the script was supposedly slashed apart. As you see in this photo, Miriam is yelling at Charlotte. In the original script, Miriam arrives to the mansion amidst a flurry of pandemonium. Originally, when the taxi turns into the driveway, the driver and Miriam are greeting by Harry Willis (Cecil Kelloway) fleeing to his car to escape a potential blast from Charlotte's shotgun.
Charlotte, shotgun in hand, is standing at the front of the balcony screaming at Mr. Willis to get off of her property when she spots the taxi pulling up to the front door. Charlotte then aims the shotgun at the taxi and screams for whomever is in the taxi to also leave her property.

The driver, frightened by this ordeal, refuses to get out the taxi. Miriam, however, swings open the backdoor of the taxi, steps out, looks boldly up at Charlotte (who has Miriam's face locked in front of the shotgun barrel and her finger on the trigger) and yells, "Charlotte, stop pointing that damn thing at me and go inside!"

"She lowers the gun, realizing it is, indeed, Miriam. She reacts with relief, then chagrin for being caught at such a disadvantage in the face of Miriam's sleek stylishness."

"She is perfection, nearly too much so."

"She whirls about, very suddenly, and goes inside."

Miriam, having gained the upper hand on the situation, looks in at the driver and tells him, "You can come out now. And bring my bags."

Obviously, this is NOT the introduction we, the audience, get of Miriam in the final film with de Havilland. Crawford's Miriam was a Rockstar, a force of nature, and from the moment she arrives at the plantation we know she is there to gain control of everything. No one, gun or not, is going to stand in her way.
Originally, Miriam was the backbone of the film - the conductor of the film's suspense. All of this was removed from the original script, and so went the meat of the film.

Olivia de Havilland, while a great actress in her own right, arrives to the mansion like meek Aunt Effie returning home from the hospital. de Havilland struggled with playing a character like Miriam Deering. Throughout the film, de Havilland's Miriam is little more than an observer, a "wall flower," to Charlotte's antics - which are performed by Davis with little difference to how she played "Baby Jane." Though, in "...Sweet Charlotte" Davis exhibits the most deplorable southern accent ever captured on film.
Throughout the finished film, Charlotte is the power in control - not Miriam - which is how Davis wanted it.

It's been infamously noted that Davis was awe-inspired by Crawford's performance as Miriam in her arrival scene at the mansion. It was not long afterward that the production went horribly awry.

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Why do wicked, crazy women -- deranged mamas -- resonate with the audience as much as they do?
I still think it's a morbid fascination with decay, because the wicked crazy women as we know them from film and stories are usually the actresses who were once celebrated as the young and beautiful goddesses of the silver screen.
Perhaps there's also a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde quality to it, very noticeable in the queen's transformation in Disney's Snow White.
As the queen she looks like an untouchable, humourless, Garbo-esque silent movie actress who transforms herself into a scenery-chewing grande dame guignol with a dark sense of humour.
She'll be buried aliiive!
Of course it's not exactly the same as "decay" but if we'd be able to fold time then the days of Hollywoodd super stardom and the late career of grand guignol get much closer.
Perhaps there's also a sexist undercurrent -especially in those days - that it simply wasn't possible for the previously worshipped actress to age gracefully and remain relevant in the film industry. Unlike the male actors who seem to age differently, and I'm sure there are examples of actors who actually became more desirable as they got older. Not to mention the biological aspect of virility - the can keep making babies until the day they die.

Thankfully, the situation has changed a lot in 21st century cinema, and older actresses can still be the film's main attraction without having to resort to grande dame guignol shenanigans.
But if Marilyn Monroe hadn't died she could have become the ultimate, most deliciously shocking grande dame guignol actress.
 

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Thankfully, the situation has changed a lot in 21st century cinema, and older actresses can still be the film's main attraction without having to resort to grande dame guignol shenanigans.

But many of us still like those grande dame guignol shenanigans.

Perhaps there's also a sexist undercurrent -especially in those days - that it simply wasn't possible for the previously worshipped actress to age gracefully and remain relevant in the film industry

Well, that's certainly what the feminists say.
 

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But many of us still like those grande dame guignol shenanigans.
It doesn't work anymore. 60 is the new 40 and they will usually do anything to stay 40.
That's why mothers and daughters in modern films often look like sisters.
Well, that's certainly what the feminists say.
So, reading between the lines, what I said is not true.
 

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It doesn't work anymore. 60 is the new 40 and they will usually do anything to stay 40.
That's why mothers and daughters in modern films often look like sisters.

It will always work. The "you look like sisters" trope is just a conceit of the present.

Crazy Mamas are forever.

So, reading between the lines, what I said is not true.

You're tipping your chapeau to the activist ladies when you assert that grande dame guignol is "sexist" --- which is very chivalrous of you. And chivalry is absolutely part of feminism, as feminism is (and always will be) an expression and manifestation of the patriarchy, not a rebellion against the patriarchy.

Because they're hand in hand. Both are about re-routing resources to Her.

What does all that mean? I'm not rightly sure, myself. But, on a primal level, whacked-out dowagers will always be relevant -- even if their political correctness fluctuates from era to era.

Besides, the feminists demand all portrayals of women be positive -- or, ideally, if she's a murderer that she be allowed to get away with it, with no loss of status or incarceration.

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And there seems like a solid premise for a modern Grande Dame Guignol.
But wouldn't it take the hag out of the hagsploitation?
I mean, there are plenty of films about deranged pretty mothers and stepmothers, but it's not exactly the same, is it?
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