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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 350604" data-attributes="member: 33"><p>Respectfully, have you watched the videos you posted and checked the "facts" it claims because most of them are nonsense? Take the so-called 8 lies in the first video which it claims are the following:</p><p></p><p>1. <strong>Archie didn't get the "Prince" title because he's black. </strong>This is a total fabrication because Meghan never said that to Oprah. She said they wouldn't give a reason why Archie's wouldn't get that title. Meghan also quoted the convention that the grandchildren of the monarch on the male line automatically become princes and princesses This is why Prince Andrews daughters, the former Queen's grandchildren, are princesses. Now that Charles is king, by that convention, Archie and Lilibet should now be Prince and Princess but they are not so Meghan was telling the truth.</p><p></p><p>2. <strong>Meghan didn't know anything about the Royal Family.</strong> In the Oprah interview she said this in relation to royal protocol, not knowledge about Princess Diana and trivia about the family, as the video suggests.</p><p></p><p>3. <strong>The story that Meghan made Kate cry is false and it was the other way around.</strong> Harry, in his interview with Tom Bradby, confirmed that Meghan's was being accurate and Kate did indeed make her cry and later apologised and sent Meghan flowers.</p><p></p><p>4. <strong>Not being protected by the tabloids.</strong> This is clearly true. The UK tabloids regularly supress negative stories about the Royal Family that are published overseas while at the same time they appear to be in an arms race to be more and more vicious about Meghan, culminating in Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments regarding The Duchess of Sussex. The Royal Family never condemned the comments, maybe because Clarkson is a personal friend of Camilla's.</p><p></p><p>5. <strong>Turning over her belongings and passports.</strong> I don't recall Meghan saying she had to hand over her belongings but she did say she had to hand over her passport. The video you posted claims this is a lie because she was seen travelling to other countries. What Meghan said, was that she wasn't free to travel when she wanted because they had her passport. She never said they took her passport permanently and stopped her from travelling altogether they just insisted that they held on to her passport, I guess it was to restrict her freedom and to exert a degree of control over her.</p><p></p><p>6. <strong>Claim that she had no security after she left the Royal Family. </strong>The video claims that only the most senior Royals have security and uses the example of Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie as having no security to demonstrate that Meghan shouldn't have any either. What the video fails to mention is that the Met Police Anti-Terrorist Unit didn't identify any credible death threats against those specific Royals but did uncover many aimed at Meghan. Normally, when an individual has credible death threats made against them, the police would provide protection for them, as they did for Salman Rushdie for example, but at the request of the Royal Family, this protection was removed from Meghan and Harry when they ceased being working Royals.</p><p></p><p>7. <strong>Denied mental health treatment for the sake of the Palace's image</strong>. Following the Oprah interview Buckingham Palace said they would change internal procedures, including carrying out training for staff and appointing a race tsar, which is kind of an acknowledgement that there was at least some truth in what Meghan was saying. It was all a publicity exercise though because the Palace quietly dropped the plan when the backlash against them died down.</p><p></p><p>8. <strong>Meghan claiming that she received no royal training.</strong> That's not exactly what she said to Oprah. Similar, to the second point I made above, she was talking about some specific details of royal etiquette and didn't claim she got no advice at all.</p><p></p><p>So every one of the "lies" in the first video isn't really a lie. The quality of the research is so poor I can't waste my time watching the second one. It seems as though the maker of the video has just copied distortions and inaccuracies in the media and regurgitated it without carrying out any critical analysis of her own. </p><p></p><p>The big lie that I'm most concerned about is Prince Willie's <em><strong>"We are very much not a racist family"</strong></em> when the Royals banned black people from working in the offices at Buckingham Palace. Maybe the Royals are so blind to their own racism they think that is a totally acceptable thing to do. However, I'm not going to side with a racist Royal family against Harry and Meghan who are calling out Royal racism, as I call it, or unconscious bias, as Harry more charitably calls it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 350604, member: 33"] Respectfully, have you watched the videos you posted and checked the "facts" it claims because most of them are nonsense? Take the so-called 8 lies in the first video which it claims are the following: 1. [B]Archie didn't get the "Prince" title because he's black. [/B]This is a total fabrication because Meghan never said that to Oprah. She said they wouldn't give a reason why Archie's wouldn't get that title. Meghan also quoted the convention that the grandchildren of the monarch on the male line automatically become princes and princesses This is why Prince Andrews daughters, the former Queen's grandchildren, are princesses. Now that Charles is king, by that convention, Archie and Lilibet should now be Prince and Princess but they are not so Meghan was telling the truth. 2. [B]Meghan didn't know anything about the Royal Family.[/B] In the Oprah interview she said this in relation to royal protocol, not knowledge about Princess Diana and trivia about the family, as the video suggests. 3. [B]The story that Meghan made Kate cry is false and it was the other way around.[/B] Harry, in his interview with Tom Bradby, confirmed that Meghan's was being accurate and Kate did indeed make her cry and later apologised and sent Meghan flowers. 4. [B]Not being protected by the tabloids.[/B] This is clearly true. The UK tabloids regularly supress negative stories about the Royal Family that are published overseas while at the same time they appear to be in an arms race to be more and more vicious about Meghan, culminating in Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments regarding The Duchess of Sussex. The Royal Family never condemned the comments, maybe because Clarkson is a personal friend of Camilla's. 5. [B]Turning over her belongings and passports.[/B] I don't recall Meghan saying she had to hand over her belongings but she did say she had to hand over her passport. The video you posted claims this is a lie because she was seen travelling to other countries. What Meghan said, was that she wasn't free to travel when she wanted because they had her passport. She never said they took her passport permanently and stopped her from travelling altogether they just insisted that they held on to her passport, I guess it was to restrict her freedom and to exert a degree of control over her. 6. [B]Claim that she had no security after she left the Royal Family. [/B]The video claims that only the most senior Royals have security and uses the example of Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie as having no security to demonstrate that Meghan shouldn't have any either. What the video fails to mention is that the Met Police Anti-Terrorist Unit didn't identify any credible death threats against those specific Royals but did uncover many aimed at Meghan. Normally, when an individual has credible death threats made against them, the police would provide protection for them, as they did for Salman Rushdie for example, but at the request of the Royal Family, this protection was removed from Meghan and Harry when they ceased being working Royals. 7. [B]Denied mental health treatment for the sake of the Palace's image[/B]. Following the Oprah interview Buckingham Palace said they would change internal procedures, including carrying out training for staff and appointing a race tsar, which is kind of an acknowledgement that there was at least some truth in what Meghan was saying. It was all a publicity exercise though because the Palace quietly dropped the plan when the backlash against them died down. 8. [B]Meghan claiming that she received no royal training.[/B] That's not exactly what she said to Oprah. Similar, to the second point I made above, she was talking about some specific details of royal etiquette and didn't claim she got no advice at all. So every one of the "lies" in the first video isn't really a lie. The quality of the research is so poor I can't waste my time watching the second one. It seems as though the maker of the video has just copied distortions and inaccuracies in the media and regurgitated it without carrying out any critical analysis of her own. The big lie that I'm most concerned about is Prince Willie's [I][B]"We are very much not a racist family"[/B][/I][B] [/B]when the Royals banned black people from working in the offices at Buckingham Palace. Maybe the Royals are so blind to their own racism they think that is a totally acceptable thing to do. However, I'm not going to side with a racist Royal family against Harry and Meghan who are calling out Royal racism, as I call it, or unconscious bias, as Harry more charitably calls it. [/QUOTE]
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