Svengali
Telly Talk Member
the whole reboot isn't motivated
Snarky Oracle!
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Both were kind of unmotivated -- the 1983 catfight and the nuDYNASTY catfight a couple of years ago.
When the 2017 reboot (comic reboot, as they tend to do in recent decades) was announced, it was a foregone conclusion that, in some ways, it would be superior to the original (if only because it wouldn't have the Pollocks on staff to suffocate and ruin it, frame by frame, year by year).
That's a lot. And it was assumed it would have a splashier production, because most shows today do, almost effortlessly and without even having to think about it.
But we also predicted that the superior casting of the original couldn't be matched, and that the semi-serious tone of oldDYNASTY would be replaced with hack-ish casting (although nuFallon and Sam Joe were okay) and the reboot would be too fast-paced and facetious.
All of which panned out to be 100% true.
The reboot catfight was a standard issue 21st century catfight, pop song in the background, and it doesn't really matter what "motivated" it.
But the bigger disappointment was the 1983 catfight which should have been motivated (i.e., Alexis taunting Krystle over losing another child, after Alexis killed her first one); it should have been a grande diva battle royale in which Krystle's "you miserable bitch!" line should have resonated with a gravely gravitas which shook the heavens, genuinely terrifying Alexis (whose "empty-armed madonna" reference should have been likewise delivered far dirtier than Joan gave it).
Instead, the original DYNASTY's lilypond fight was just silly. Campy, disposable silliness. And a sign of things to come. It's reputation, much like the series itself, somewhat unconnected to the reality of what that series was actually delivering.
When the 2017 reboot (comic reboot, as they tend to do in recent decades) was announced, it was a foregone conclusion that, in some ways, it would be superior to the original (if only because it wouldn't have the Pollocks on staff to suffocate and ruin it, frame by frame, year by year).
That's a lot. And it was assumed it would have a splashier production, because most shows today do, almost effortlessly and without even having to think about it.
But we also predicted that the superior casting of the original couldn't be matched, and that the semi-serious tone of oldDYNASTY would be replaced with hack-ish casting (although nuFallon and Sam Joe were okay) and the reboot would be too fast-paced and facetious.
All of which panned out to be 100% true.
The reboot catfight was a standard issue 21st century catfight, pop song in the background, and it doesn't really matter what "motivated" it.
But the bigger disappointment was the 1983 catfight which should have been motivated (i.e., Alexis taunting Krystle over losing another child, after Alexis killed her first one); it should have been a grande diva battle royale in which Krystle's "you miserable bitch!" line should have resonated with a gravely gravitas which shook the heavens, genuinely terrifying Alexis (whose "empty-armed madonna" reference should have been likewise delivered far dirtier than Joan gave it).
Instead, the original DYNASTY's lilypond fight was just silly. Campy, disposable silliness. And a sign of things to come. It's reputation, much like the series itself, somewhat unconnected to the reality of what that series was actually delivering.
Lankershim Blasdel 1
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
The CW had 2 recasts in that scene which made it have zero impact.
The original suffered from awful editing, Krystle’s punch missed Alexis’ face by a mile but it still made a hell of a slap noise, not matched until John lunges after Joan Collins’ stand in (according to Joan she was too afraid John was going to hurt her since she accepted the Emmy or people’s choice crappo award when they all were supposed to deflect to him)
The original suffered from awful editing, Krystle’s punch missed Alexis’ face by a mile but it still made a hell of a slap noise, not matched until John lunges after Joan Collins’ stand in (according to Joan she was too afraid John was going to hurt her since she accepted the Emmy or people’s choice crappo award when they all were supposed to deflect to him)
Snarky Oracle!
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I think the award incident was later.
Lankershim Blasdel 1
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
The producers should have tried something new and not played a musical score over the fight( the Lily pond music was horrible) it would have been more effective and with tighter editing and more direct nasty dialogue before it happened (no smirking Joan) it would have been just as good as the art studio fight (Krystle should have held Alexis underwater longer giving the impression she really was trying to drown her, I mean her PTSD from that horse incident kicked in.)
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Lankershim Blasdel 1
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Nicolette Sheridan was the best thing about that shat show, Liz Gilles was more effective before they made her “the star” Steven was well casted and Anders.
Grant just didn’t work
As blah as Crystal one was they just should have kept her, it threw the show way off and started the” this is really stupid” when Blake immediately fell for #2.
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