Pam's dream, the alternative theory

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im glad bobby death was retconned as a dream but i wish that in reality jr and sue ellen marriage was fixed just like in the dream season instead of sue ellen leaving.j.r and sue elen marriage being fixed is someting from the dream season that i did like and i wish that did happened when the show go back to reality
Yes, sad how after the dream season we’re right back to J.R. and Sue Ellen being at each other’s throats again and all of that reconciling is lost. Of course they were always more fun when fighting in my opinion though.
 

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Yes, sad how after the dream season we’re right back to J.R. and Sue Ellen being at each other’s throats again and all of that reconciling is lost. Of course they were always more fun when fighting in my opinion though.
And when they did reconcile them later in season 10, it was so rushed and really made no sense. The reconciliation was done so much better in the dream season.
 

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And when they did reconcile them later in season 10, it was so rushed and really made no sense. The reconciliation was done so much better in the dream season.
The fact that I remember the reconciliation in the dream season very well yet have very little recollection of the one in season 10 proves your point.
 

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The fact that I remember the reconciliation in the dream season very well yet have very little recollection of the one in season 10 proves your point.
It was truly incomprehensible. Sue Ellen spends half a season trying to take JR down. Then he smiles at her and she wants a "real" familiar again.

Ridiculous. JR caused both her and John Ross to be kidnapped. And that made her love him again.

Ridiculous.
 

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Ridiculous. JR caused both her and John Ross to be kidnapped. And that made her love him again.
I guess the kidnapping of their son, even though it was J.R.’s fault ironically, is what got them back on the same page. The thought of losing him was what reunited them briefly.
 

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I guess the kidnapping of their son, even though it was J.R.’s fault ironically, is what got them back on the same page. The thought of losing him was what reunited them briefly.
Yes. I mean but honestly,JR gets SE kidnapped and possibly raped (we really don't know and neither did she) and shows her a little softness out of guilt. Next thing you know she is telling Pam she is thinking about "melting the glacier."

I get the fear was supposed to have been what reconciled them, I just think it could have been done better. In fact, it was done better - in the dream season.
 

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You’re not alone in that opinion, as others have made similar suggestions here over the years. Personally I’d rather they would’ve ended the original series this way and made everything after the dream season a dream if VP had agreed to return for Conundrum.

And welcome to the site @Bean
actually everything that happened in the og series after victoria departure and in jr returns and in the sequel to jr returns was pam coma dream and after the final scene of the sequel to jr returns pam wake up from her coma and the 2012 revival is a non canon alternate universe where pam coma dream except the two movies jr returns and the sequel to jr returns wasn´t a dream it really happened just like knots landing is a non canon alternate universe where bobby death and all the season 9 events wasn´t a dream it did really happened and the events of jr returns and the sequel to jr returns besides pam not dreaming about those events in that non canon universe those events also didn´t happened
 

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since pam dream started with bobby death that means the last time we see pam and bobby in the real world was when they were in the coach and it look like they were gonna sleep together on the coach but when pam woke up she was in the bed maybe they went upstairs of screen?
 

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Should have been Bobby's dream- his dying flashback... his flash-forward.... Instead of the dumb shower scene, it's the cliffhanger of the previous year with Bobby's flatline going bump bump as he's brought back from death. He could explain how he saw the light, he watched everyone mourn him and ignore the rest.
 

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Patrick leaving wasn't the problem. The problem is that they caved into his demand that Bobby die on screen. Once that was done, it was going to be a nightmare to undo - no matter what the solution.
I like the idea of Katherine hiring people to kidnap him. She was nuts so why not?
 

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I like the idea of Katherine hiring people to kidnap him. She was nuts so why not?
I always preferred a COMA. If Duffy had said no to the return, Bobby officially died. Since he did, he wakes up and instead of the dumb shower scene, it's a GOOD MORNING from his hospital bedside. Boom. Sue Ellen gets the risky eye surgery... Jaime is dead. etc...
 

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Should have been Bobby's dream- his dying flashback... his flash-forward.... Instead of the dumb shower scene, it's the cliffhanger of the previous year with Bobby's flatline going bump bump as he's brought back from death. He could explain how he saw the light, he watched everyone mourn him and ignore the

Should have been Bobby's dream- his dying flashback... his flash-forward.... Instead of the dumb shower scene, it's the cliffhanger of the previous year with Bobby's flatline going bump bump as he's brought back from death. He could explain how he saw the light, he watched everyone mourn him and ignore the rest.
they could have done that but being pam dream is fine to
 

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I like the idea of Katherine hiring people to kidnap him. She was nuts so why not?
It’s certainly something Katherine would’ve done so it fits the character’s personality. The only thing is it’s hard for me to believe she wasn’t dead as well after she ran Bobby down. It definitely looked like it at the time so unfortunately it might have to be a case of Katherine manipulating things after she’s gone.
 
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