Protesters damaging museum art

[Angela Channing]

And in terms of preventing that from happening, these shenanigans are as effective as Facebook avatar activism or posting on SoapChat/TellyTalk. Massive audience notwithstanding.

Many liberals today are actually making things worse with respect to climate change, racism or LGBT+ rights

Because the primary engine that drives their behavior is the narcissistic “look at me, look at me! (or my trans/non-binary child!) I’m such a good, loving, caring person. Not like them! They are scum! Affirm me. Like me. Retweet me! And cancel them!”

And for that reason, they are no better than prostitute politicians in places like Brussels or Washington who just say things to get votes from their target group electorate, but never do anything effective.

Last year I was walking through Bromyard Cemetery in London and I noticed the grave of Emmeline Pankhurst. I didn't expect to see that people still visit it to leave flowers and ribbons. When she was involved in similar behaviour to what Just Stop Oil are doing today, only she was campaigning for women to be allowed to vote, she was condemned for being a nuisance and for disrupting people's lives, today she is considered a hero. It the future, when the planet is burning, people will view Just Stop Oil more favourably.

Last month was the hottest ever June in the UK,it was so hot that fish were dying in our rivers. We can't wait until the planet is too hot to support human life. I don't support illegal protest but I can sympathise with why people are motivated to do it.

 

[Angela Channing]

Can I have your address so I can splatter your home with paint, glue myself to your porch, block your driveway, and throw puzzle pieces in your yard? It's for the planet.

Oh, and please have a television crew on standby. I have to make sure all of the polluters out there see what I've done so they will change their ways. Thanks in advance.

I don't drive, I've not even been in a car for over 5 years, I've not travelled by plane in over 13 years and I use a green energy supplier to heat my house. You can throw paint at my house if it everyone who is clutching their pearls over Just Stop Oil commits to reducing their reliance on fossil fuels in a similar way.

 

[Frank Underwood]

I don't drive, I've not even been in a car for over 5 years, I've not travelled by plane in over 13 years and I use a green energy supplier to heat my house. You can throw paint at my house if it everyone who is clutching their pearls over Just Stop Oil commits to reducing their reliance on fossil fuels in a similar way.

I travelled once by plane 17 years ago, and I drive about once a week (a necessity where I live, as most US cities are designed around the automobile.) I live in a duplex run entirely on electricity because it's what I can afford, and I doubt my landlord will be adding solar panels any time soon. Does that matter to them? Of course not. It's much easier to hector and disrupt the lives of ordinary people than it is to take on the elites who are the main cause of climate change. Narcissistic vandalism won't save the planet.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Last year I was walking through Bromyard Cemetery in London and I noticed the grave of Emmeline Pankhurst

You are my favorite person!

I don't drive, I've not even been in a car for over 5 years, I've not travelled by plane in over 13 years and I use a green energy supplier to heat my house. You can throw paint at my house if it everyone who is clutching their pearls over Just Stop Oil commits to reducing their reliance on fossil fuels in a similar way.

Just Stop Oil was founded by the descendants of petroleum kingpin J. Paul Getty, and once the richest private citizen in the world.

Do you find that curious?

 

[Angela Channing]

I travelled once by plane 17 years ago, and I drive about once a week (a necessity where I live, as most US cities are designed around the automobile.) I live in a duplex run entirely on electricity because it's what I can afford, and I doubt my landlord will be adding solar panels any time soon. Does that matter to them? Of course not. It's much easier to hector and disrupt the lives of ordinary people than it is to take on the elites who are the main cause of climate change. Narcissistic vandalism won't save the planet.

So what would you suggest that people who are concerned about the climate emergency do?

Yesterday, was the hottest day ever on earth and the previous hottest day was the day before that. Scientists are predicting that the record will continue to be broken as this month proceeds. Doing nothing is no longer an option. Delaying action is no longer an option, however too many people seem to want to carry on as they always have. It was the frustration with this apathy that created Just Stop Oil. If we were taking the climate crisis more seriously, Just Stop Oil wouldn't have to stage protests.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

So what would you suggest that people who are concerned about the climate emergency do?

Yesterday, was the hottest day ever on earth and the previous hottest day was the day before that. Scientists are predicting that the record will continue to be broken as this month proceeds. Doing nothing is no longer an option. Delaying action is no longer an option, however too many people seem to want to carry on as they always have. It was the frustration with this apathy that created Just Stop Oil. If we were taking the climate crisis more seriously, Just Stop Oil wouldn't have to stage protests.

Just Stop Oil was founded by the descendants of petroleum kingpin J. Paul Getty, once the richest private citizen in the world.

Do you find that interesting?

 

[Angela Channing]

Just Stop Oil was founded by the descendants of petroleum kingpin J. Paul Getty, once the richest private citizen in the world.

Do you find that interesting?

Not really. I'm more concerned about the planet frying than I am about the origins of Just Stop Oil.

I'm not a supporter of Just Stop Oil, I think some (not all) of their protests have been unwise and unnecessarily disruptive. However, I think we are in an urgent situation and they have been successful in raising awareness of it.

 

[Frank Underwood]

So what would you suggest that people who are concerned about the climate emergency do?

Yesterday, was the hottest day ever on earth and the previous hottest day was the day before that. Scientists are predicting that the record will continue to be broken as this month proceeds. Doing nothing is no longer an option. Delaying action is no longer an option, however too many people seem to want to carry on as they always have. It was the frustration with this apathy that created Just Stop Oil. If we were taking the climate crisis more seriously, Just Stop Oil wouldn't have to stage protests.

Who is we? Yet again, it sounds like you're hectoring ordinary people who don't have the resources to run their homes on green energy or the ability to use public transportation. However, if the goal is to help them reduce their carbon footprint, they could try educating them on the ways they can do that while living within their means. I think that's a better solution than staging protests that amount to nothing more than a public nuisance. And to reiterate once again, it's the elites who hold the real power to combat climate change. Let's see them stage a protest at the US capitol or at Amazon's headquarters. What they're currently doing is obnoxious and completely ineffective.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Not really. I'm more concerned about the planet frying than I am about the origins of Just Stop Oil.

You're not concerned that big oil may be funding Just Stop Oil? And why??

 

[Frank Underwood]

Not really. I'm more concerned about the planet frying than I am about the origins of Just Stop Oil.

Their origins should matter, as it may be an indication of their motives.

I'm not a supporter of Just Stop Oil, I think some (not all) of their protests have been unwise and unnecessarily disruptive. However, I think we are in an urgent situation and they have been successful in raising awareness of it.

Unwise and unnecessarily disruptive? Hmm, why would the descendants of an oil kingpin be so reckless as to piss off people who otherwise might be receptive to their cause?

Does it do any good to bring awareness to a cause if it's associated with a bunch of goofy, petty vandals? IMO, that's likely to make people take it less seriously.

 

[Angela Channing]

Who is we? Yet again, it sounds like you're hectoring ordinary people who don't have the resources to run their homes on green energy or the ability to use public transportation. However, if the goal is to help them reduce their carbon footprint, they could try educating them on the ways they can do that while living within their means. I think that's a better solution than staging protests that amount to nothing more than a public nuisance. And to reiterate once again, it's the elites who hold the real power to combat climate change. Let's see them stage a protest at the US capitol or at Amazon's headquarters. What they're currently doing is obnoxious and completely ineffective.

I don't work, I had to give up my career to become a full time carer for a family member. I have zero income but I have still been able to make lifestyle changes to reduce my carbon footprint. Whatever your resources, you can make positive changes.

It was campaign groups like Just Stop Oil (for me it was Extinction Rebellion) that prompted me to make those changes so I think their action is educating people.

Just Stop Oil are protesting against governments and big business (just last weekend in the UK they targeted The Coco-Cola Company) in addition to their guerrilla campaign of disrupting high profile events.

You're not concerned that big oil may be funding Just Stop Oil? And why??

Because the planet is burning and raising awareness of that has to be the priority. However, Just Stop Oil isn't funded by the oil industry, Aileen Getty, who has contributed money to the organisation, has never been involved in the industry herself.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Because the planet is burning and raising awareness of that has to be the priority. However, Just Stop Oil isn't funded by the oil industry, Aileen Getty, who has contributed money to the organisation, has never been involved in the industry herself.

Your googling is as delicious as your selective outrage and naivete.

 

[Frank Underwood]

I don't work, I had to give up my career to become a full time carer for a family member. I have zero income but I have still been able to make lifestyle changes to reduce my carbon footprint. Whatever your resources, you can make positive changes.

Of course, but there's still limitations for many people. Many homeowners can't afford green energy alternatives, and landlords aren't likely to retrofit their rentals with them.

Outside the basics like shutting off lights when leaving a room and only using heat and A/C when needed, there's not a lot people like myself can do.

It was campaign groups like Just Stop Oil (for me it was Extinction Rebellion) that prompted me to make those changes so I think their action is educating people.

To each their own, but I've never associated their antics with climate change. Surprisingly, my electric company offers much better messaging on how to be energy efficient.

Just Stop Oil are protesting against governments and big business (just last weekend in the UK they targeted The Coco-Cola Company) in addition to their guerrilla campaign of disrupting high profile events.

And yet the latter gets all of the attention, despite being the least effective method. I'm sure some people think the attention itself is all that matters, but it seems counter-productive when the attention is negative and is focused on the protest itself rather than the cause of it. Most people don't associate petty vandalism with climate change.

 

[Angela Channing]

Of course, but there's still limitations for many people. Many homeowners can't afford green energy alternatives, and landlords aren't likely to retrofit their rentals with them.

Outside the basics like shutting off lights when leaving a room and only using heat and A/C when needed, there's not a lot people like myself can do.


To each their own, but I've never associated their antics with climate change. Surprisingly, my electric company offers much better messaging on how to be energy efficient.


And yet the latter gets all of the attention, despite being the least effective method. I'm sure some people think the attention itself is all that matters, but it seems counter-productive when the attention is negative and is focused on the protest itself rather than the cause of it. Most people don't associate petty vandalism with climate change.

I think you have identified why Just Stop Oil take the approach that they do. When they picket companies that are major contributors to climate change, it makes no difference and gets little attention. When they throw jigsaw puzzle pieces on an outside court during a tennis match at Wimbledon, it makes the front pages and gets international attention. It gets people talking about an issue of which there is far too much apathy.

Today the UN said climate change is "out of control" and that this week is likely to be the hottest week ever recorded since records began. We can go on like this. The world is currently on a dangerous trajectory for global warming and it's only a matter of time before large parts of the earth that are currently home for millions of people become totally uninhabitable which will cause a massive refugee crisis. Sadly we have passed the point of gently persuading people, businesses and governments to address the issue, we need to take drastic action now. Just Stop Oil, for all their faults, are rightly pointing out the urgency of the crisis while so many others are happy to fiddle when Rome burns.

If someone is stood under a boulder that is rapidly falling to the ground, when the drop first started there might have been time to warn them to move but after a while you have to realise that the only way to save their life is to push them out of the way. As far as climate change is concerned, past apathy means were are now at a critical point and it's too late for gentle persuasion, we need to be pushed to safety.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I think you have identified why Just Stop Oil take the approach that they do. When they picket companies that are major contributors to climate change, it makes no difference and gets little attention. When they throw jigsaw puzzle pieces on an outside court during a tennis match at Wimbledon, it makes the front pages and gets international attention. It gets people talking about an issue of which there is far too much apathy.

Today the UN said climate change is "out of control" and that this week is likely to be the hottest week ever recorded since records began. We can go on like this. The world is currently on a dangerous trajectory for global warming and it's only a matter of time before large parts of the earth that are currently home for millions of people become totally uninhabitable which will cause a massive refugee crisis. Sadly we have passed the point of gently persuading people, businesses and governments to address the issue, we need to take drastic action now. Just Stop Oil, for all their faults, are rightly pointing out the urgency of the crisis while so many others are happy to fiddle when Rome burns.

If someone is stood under a boulder that is rapidly falling to the ground, when the drop first started there might have been time to warn them to move but after a while you have to realise that the only way to save their life is to push them out of the way. As far as climate change is concerned, past apathy means were are now at a critical point and it's too late for gentle persuasion, we need to be pushed to safety.

What if someone, an imperfect stranger, blows your head off in the middle of the street, to make a statement about climate change?

Do they really care about global warming?

 

[Gabriel Maxwell]

Damaging works of art or interrupting events like tennis matches at Wimbledon will of course grab headlines and momentarily captivate public attention, but their effectiveness in generating substantive policy reforms and meaningful long-term progress (which should be the goal of any protest or activism) is close to zero.

The focus shifts from the issue of climate change to the disruptive act itself. The core message about protecting the environment is diluted and the public discourse becomes fixated on the protest methods rather than the issue itself, which gets overshadowed.

The actions are perceived disrespectful and destructive and for that reason they can even alienate potential allies who’d otherwise be sympathetic to the cause. They polarize the conversation, making it actually harder to find common ground and develop effective solutions.

So why would they continue to behave this way unless this was no longer about climate change, but rather their own needs to feel as if they have accomplished something great and important and given (fake) purpose to their lives?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I've said for ages that woke-ism is a rightwing, deep state plot to undermine the left -- to turn the left stupid, turn it woke and bring it down.

Now we know that big oil money seems to be behind these anti-oil protests determined to "bring attention" to climate change through art destruction, etc.

In the 1960s, there was an organized program, well-established historically, to infiltrate the American counter culture, the anti-war movement, the civil right movement, I'm not sure about the feminist movement (since Gloria Steinem was CIA), the hippie movement, in order to hurt its reputation and bring it down -- which, to a degree, was successful.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Just Stop Oil's actions are ineffective because they're ego-driven. The idea that people can do whatever they want as long as they do it in the name of climate change awareness is ridiculous. In order for activism to be effective, there needs to be a correlation between the actions taken and the cause promoted. People committing random acts of vandalism or super gluing themselves to the ground make themselves the center of attention, not the cause they supposedly care about. It's foolish to think otherwise.

Also, it just so happens that the US military is the world's biggest single greenhouse gas emitter. I find that interesting, considering some Just Stop Oil supporters also support the military industrial complex. One would think humanitarian reasons would be enough to not support a US military response, especially to conflicts that began as a result of US provocation. However, if one chooses to be smug while getting in your face about climate change, you'd think reigning in the US military would be one of their priorities.

Source: https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/10/pentagon-climate-change-neta-crawford-book/

 

[ArchieLucasCarringtonEwing1989]

I’m all saving the planet and doing better to take care of it

Just Stop Oil however are doing the exact opposite of raising awareness to the cause and are actually doing more harm than good, they never target airports, or the homes of politicians who can actually enact changes.

No these upper middle class retired boomers and trustafarian Gen Z students target ordinary working and middle class people trying to get on with their daily lives, getting to work to pay their rent, mortgage, bills, cost of living etc.

Not to mention stopping people from getting to vital hospital appointments, or as some have mentioned getting funerals of their loved ones.

This group of “activists” are nothing more than narcissistic idiots who post Insta stories and posts of their so called activism, I wouldn’t even mind but the boomers who are part of JSO are the ones who took advantage of flights to everywhere, multiple cars, for decades.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I’m all saving the planet and doing better to take care of it

Just Stop Oil however are doing the exact opposite of raising awareness to the cause and are actually doing more harm than good, they never target airports, or the homes of politicians who can actually enact changes.

No these upper middle class retired boomers and trustafarian Gen Z students target ordinary working and middle class people trying to get on with their daily lives, getting to work to pay their rent, mortgage, bills, cost of living etc.

Not to mention stopping people from getting to vital hospital appointments, or as some have mentioned getting funerals of their loved ones.

This group of “activists” are nothing more than narcissistic idiots who post Insta stories and posts of their so called activism, I wouldn’t even mind but the boomers who are part of JSO are the ones who took advantage of flights to everywhere, multiple cars, for decades.

But the boomers versus millennials argument is also contrived to pit us against each other, using identity issues to deflect attention away from class issues (whose really got the money, and it's not the boomers or millennials). Just like the race, sexuality and gender junk they're deliberately trying to inflame in order to distract us from the real problems.