There's no such thing as horoscopes

[tommie]

Discuss.

Also, star signs does not rule our minds. Thanks.

 

[LMLDallas78]

I'm a non believer that our star signs rule us, but there are plenty that really do believe in this stuff.

On 3 separate occasions recently the conversation has turned into one about star signs. I think I'm a non believer simply because I don't seem to hold the proper traits of my star sign and people appear surprised when I reveal what that is.

The experts speak very convincingly on the subject and some time ago many breakfast and magazine shows dedicated a regular slot for horoscopes.

Some people swear by them and believe our fate is in the stars, I believe in fate and some kind of force behind that, but not in horoscopes.

 

[DallasFanForever]

I’ve never believed in them personally. I’ve known many that have over the years and it is a fascinating subject. I tend to think it’s one of those things in life that if you believe in it then no one can really say anything to change your mind, and conversely if you’re a non-believer then no explanation will do.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Discuss.

Also, star signs does not rule our minds. Thanks.

But only a Sun in Taurus/Cancer Rising/Moon in Virgo would dare say something like that!

 

[tommie]

But only a Sun in Taurus/Cancer Rising/Moon in Virgo would dare say something like that!

Yeah, well that's not anyone in this thread so fool for you. Ha ha.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Yeah, well that's not anyone in this thread so fool for you. Ha ha.

Nobody?

 

[tommie]

Oh lawd. I hate horoscopes. I hate everything that's cynical.

Before my mother had her stroke she used to do horoscopes and read cards for people - until one day a brain bleed happened. If anyone had noticed and just not written it off as another superstition thing where she had a "vision", it would've not been that bad. When she had her stroke she was reading cards and those people just scattered like cockroaches when she fell over.

Superstitious things like horoscopes and card-readings need to be banned. I would gladly prosecute the witches.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Oh lawd. I hate horoscopes. I hate everything that's cynical.

Before my mother had her stroke she used to do horoscopes and read cards for people - until one day a brain bleed happened. If anyone had noticed and just not written it off as another superstition thing where she had a "vision", it would've not been that bad. When she had her stroke she was reading cards and those people just scattered like cockroaches when she fell over.

Superstitious things like horoscopes and card-readings need to be banned. I would gladly prosecute the witches.

I remember what you said about your mother. You're emotionally scarred.

But then I don't get along with astrologers. They just fervently dispense cliches.

 

[tommie]

I remember what you said about your mother. You're emotionally scarred.

But then I don't get along with astrologers. They just fervently dispense cliches.

Yes, the "dailies" are awful - I remember looking at them, hoping for a better tomorrow but they're just dreadful. Today's Cainer

What do you really need to do? And what really doesn't need doing? The issue is that you're dealing with other people's expectations. And no one seems to agree about where the spotlight should be directed. Although we sometimes find ourselves in situations where it's clear what action's called for, most of the time, we're trying to direct our energy one way, while someone else thinks something else should be prioritised. If you gently stick to what you think is right, you'll achieve what you need/want to do this weekend.

What on earth does this even mean? My mother could always look into the broad future, not some mess of how your weekend was going to be. SMH.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I was on an horoscope forum once and a lady started a thread about her abusive ex-husband who mistreated her and the kids, killed the dog; and the site members -- "Vedic" astrologers -- jumped in to give her uber-elaborate explanations for why he was the way he was.

He was a Sun in Virgo/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn -- ironically, the same horoscopic make-up of a supervisor who'd recently tried to get me fired, even going so far as to sabotage my work. And when that didn't quite work, accusing me of trying to strangle her. (Oddly, she liked me; she and I always got along quite well, but she was trying to get rid of me as a favor to one of her managers and buddy, a Sun in Pisces/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Scorpio).

I tried to explain what Sun in Virgo/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn was like along with the anti-Christ aspect of Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn (all three anti-Christs as named by Nostradamus were Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn). All the "experts" jump in to pillory me for daring to dispute the "Libra Rising" position found in most charts for Adolf Hitler. They were unrelentingly derisive.

Eventually, she sent me a message thanking me for my observations and telling me my posts were the only one which made any sense at all.

Yes, the "dailies" are awful - I remember looking at them, hoping for a better tomorrow but they're just dreadful. Today's Cainer

Well, my God, look at him. I bet his wife is embarrassed.

 

[tommie]

He's such a doofus, like what does anything really mean?

Eventually, she sent me a message thanking me for my observations and telling me my posts were the only one which made any sense at all.

Of course she did. In your mind.

 

[tommie]

Can we just re-title this thread to "Cainer's embarrassment thread" or something similar? I feel like bashing that bald bitch.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Of course she did. In your mind.

Oh, my posts on her thread were in marked contrast to those of the others -- they offered a slew of obtuse, rambling, quasi-intellectual masturbatory junk which said nothing. And, most importantly, were completely wrong. They could have been discussing quantum physics in the manner one might expect on a female-driven daytime TV talk show: it's gonna be wordy, and full of attitude and egoistic detail, but it's not going to be edifying on any level or even marginally reality-based.

My posts were more to the point and rang far more true to her. And, probably for the same reason, they gained the attention and the ire of that site's community. They really didn't like what I was saying, or the way I said it. (Although I was polite).

Amusingly (to me), Moon in Capricorns (who are often friends with each other, especially the more similar the horoscopic make-up) have a nine-letter word they often use to describe each other...

 

[tommie]

Yeah no

 

[tommie]

Again, what does this mean:

Your Weekly Horoscope: Your ruler's link with Uranus is very encouraging. It suggests that this festive week will bring unexpected surprises (of the right kind) your way. I know you've got a lot on your plate. And that you don't have much space to enjoy yourself: but one of the surprises in store is the ease with which you'll progress through all your tasks. There are so many blessings ahead that normal causes for concern will fail to trouble you. And with the support coming your way, you might find that you're left with no alternative but to relax and have fun.

Does this mean anything or do I just lay down and die? So I should be going to parties in the next week or so. I hate this horoscope.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Does this mean anything or do I just lay down and die?

Don't lay down and die... we'd be so lonely!

 

[Treeviewer]

Clearly there are such things as horoscopes . . . but I don't believe there's any validity to them.

 

[Matthew Blaisdel]

I don't believe in that at all.
Saw a documentary some years ago, where they proved that the star constellations that todays astrology is based on, were accurate many centuries ago, but are so vastly off today that someone who was born recently in December, would actually be Gemini today, as that's where the constellations are right now. It's all BS.
Those fakers come around with all kinds of predictions of wars, pandemics and other stuff all the time and then, when something like that really happens, they claim that they knew it beforehand.
People who "want to believe" in non-existing facts are easy money-victims, and that's the ONLY reason, why that astrology-crap still exists today, same as with any kind of religion. All BS and just claims from some people that cannot be proven by anything. But for many people it seems to be easier to believe that mankind is some "special snowflake" in the universe, instaed of dealing with the truth, that we are not important for anything in this universe and the ONLY reason we are here is a random comet impact millions of years ago. Earth and it's nature would have been much better off, had the dinasours stayed around. But many are so full of themselves that they "want to believe" and come up with religion, astrology and similar bs.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I don't believe in that at all.

But they believe in you. And that's what matters.

Saw a documentary some years ago, where they proved that the star constellations that todays astrology is based on, were accurate many centuries ago, but are so vastly off today that someone who was born recently in December, would actually be Gemini today, as that's where the constellations are right now. It's all BS.
Those fakers come around with all kinds of predictions of wars, pandemics and other stuff all the time and then, when something like that really happens, they claim that they knew it beforehand.
People who "want to believe" in non-existing facts are easy money-victims, and that's the ONLY reason, why that astrology-crap still exists today, same as with any kind of religion. All BS and just claims from some people that cannot be proven by anything. But for many people it seems to be easier to believe that mankind is some "special snowflake" in the universe, instaed of dealing with the truth, that we are not important for anything in this universe and the ONLY reason we are here is a random comet impact millions of years ago. Earth and it's nature would have been much better off, had the dinasours stayed around. But many are so full of themselves that they "want to believe" and come up with religion, astrology and similar bs.

All of which sounds completely rational. And, yes, there are fakers as well as the wanna-believers.

It makes no sense to me, either.

I had no interest in it, nor did I believe in it, when it found me a few weeks before I turned 15 literally. And that is a long, long time ago.

It was like I was assigned to it, almost reluctantly. And one of the earlier revelations to me was how physical and attitudinal Rising Sign (based on birth time) was, such that you can often show it to a "layman" through celebrities seem-alikes they've already noticed in a separated-at-birth way.

I was so tuned in to it so quickly, I was able, still a teen, to guess -- with great confidence -- during "Who Shot JR?" in 1980 what Larry's and Linda's and Mary's rising signs were. Even though it would be at least 25 more years before I got supportable birth time on any of them... And I was right in each case, with all three of them.

It may sound I'm bragging (delusionally of otherwise) but it's a reflection of how detectable these things can be to the Average Joe. Especially Rising Sign (also known as "the ascendant"). In fact, if you were to hold a good Astro101 class, you'd start with the Rising sign.

The problem is (which I discovered at 15) is that nearly all the astrologers -- be they scammers or misguided believers -- are wrong. They incessantly applied zodiacal cliches to the signs, project those cliches that aren't really true (which I never did, on instinct), and then heap bizarre complexity on top of that that cannot possibly be navigated.

I also figured almost immediately that I couldn't detect any patterns as demonstrated by the positions of outer planets -- they may have a generational effect perhaps, but any impact on individual personality wasn't something I could detect. But the Sun, Moon and Rising -- the Rising in particular -- were pointed and even pronounced... I've had friends who've asked me if someone they knew or knew of (an acquaintance or a celebrity) "has the same Rising sign" as another celebrity, and quite often, they do.

The masses can see it. And do see it. They just don't realize what it is.

And to most people (including me, even today) saying "it's in the stars, baby!" just sounds silly. Which is why people tend to say that I "don't seem the type" to be "into astrology." Because I'm not really the type. Because it has little to do with me.

But people can be taught, and taught by specific examples.

Let me start with one I was thinking about a few days ago while watching THE BAD SEED (1956) again. For those interested in such specific examples, go watch that movie. Look at the actress who plays the mother, Nancy Kelly. Look at her, listen to her... Does she even vaguely remind you of a super-famous silent era diva who also did some sound films later??

Which one? Make your own guess. And if you can't see it -- or you took the tl;dr shortcut -- then, well, just never mind.

 

[tommie]

People who "want to believe" in non-existing facts are easy money-victims

Exactly, and it's so easy - you can essentially just guess yourself through and make a perfect horoscope! All you need are a bit of that persons personality and *snap* you're through.