Those Fabulous Miniseries

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Apparently the script was reworked due to it being deemed a little too controversial
I don't think the TV version has the gay incest theme as described in the novel, but then again it's almost 20 (!) years ago since I watched the DVD.
First saw it in the early 1980s around the same time they showed FRANKENSTEIN - THE TRUE STORY (1973) in two or three parts, also starring actor Michael Sarrazin (I'm sure the connection was not intentional).
 

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Having seen The Winds of War last year, I'm watching War and Remberance for the first time now and I think it's one of those rare cases where the sequel is better than the original. In War and Remberance, the focus is actually on the war, whereas in The Winds of War I felt that the war was just an accessory to the main characters' private dramas.

There's a surprising amount of recasting in War and Remberance and maybe that's because the sequel was supposed to be mostly about the war. On The Winds of War there was more than a little overacting from certain actors, whereas on War and Remberance only Ian McShane is doing it, but exactly the same way like on Dallas a year later, but I like his character on War and Remberance more than on Dallas.
I remember "The Winds Of War" quite well
What a great Cast!

Robert Mitchum - always great in everything he does.
Polly Bergen - a superb performance. She seems flighty, but also displays great thoughtfulness and perception when she remarks about
how Winston Churchill's leadership will save the day.
David Dukes - an underrated actor who gives a fine performance.
Ali McGraw,John Houseman, Peter Graves, Scott Brady, Ralph Bellamy, John Dehner, Charles Lane,
Ben Murphy, Barbara Steele, John Karlen - all actors of note who enhanced the series.
And for Dallas fans, Ben Piazza (Walt Driscoll)
 

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How do you actually know whether a 180-minute TV production is a two-part miniseries or a two-part TV movie? The reunions of Dynasty and Knots Landing are called miniseries, while other successful TV productions of the same length, such as Helter Skelter, are called two-part TV movies. What is the difference? Did the network simply decide to promote a certain 180-minute production as a miniseries or a TV movie and then that was it? As far as I remember, instead of miniseries or TV movie network liked to promote it as two night events.

How many episodes should a real miniseries have? Are two enough already, or at least three?
 

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How do you actually know whether a 180-minute TV production is a two-part miniseries or a two-part TV movie?
There isn't much to "know". It depends on how it was advertised in your country.

There's also a variation in the way these series/movies were broadcast. In the US, it could be shown in one week whereas in the Netherlands it was always one episode per week, just like any other TV series.
How many episodes should a real miniseries have?
As many as you want, I guess. Now that we can binge-watch almost everything it doesn't seem very relevant anymore.
 

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In my opinion, the word series implies at least three but I can't find any dictionary definition that agrees with me. ;)
 

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I recently finished War and Remembrance, the sequel to The Winds of War. I liked a lot of it, and I can understand why War and Remembrance, unlike The Winds of War, won the Emmy for Best Miniseries. I was amazed that, at a time when remote controls were already available, so much time was spent on epic scenes on a network show, be it in a concentration camp, in a submarine during a battle, or in an airplane during an air raid. Despite everything that struck me as positive due to the intensity of how everythibg was presented, two facts surprised me negativly.

The Japanese were portrayed as, if at all, completely emotionless. While the Nazis showed a lot of emotion, the Japanese showed none. Was it because Herman Wouk, who wrote the novels that served as the basis for the miniseries and also contributed to the screenplay, was an officer in the Pacific during World War II and, due to his personal experiences, didn't want to portray the Japanese as human?

The atomic bomb was barely addressed. Five minutes were devoted to the first atomic bomb test and a brief discussion among the characters present about whether the atomic bomb should really be used—according to the characters, it should be used because it would end the war and thus save the lives of American and Japanese soldiers. Shortly before the end of the miniseries, one of the main characters was seen walking past a newsstand at the train station. The newspaper said "Hiroshima Whipped," but that was all we learned about it, which was surprising, because the entire miniseries was narrated by a narrator. The fact that and how exactly the war with Japan was ended was not mentioned at all by the narrator. I wonder why the two atomic bombings were so ignored. Did ABC want to protect US viewers from them at the time, or was it the work of author Herman Wouk?
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a mini-series remake of a mini-series! The trailer looks good, it makes perfect sense that they'd want to do it again (and many people won't even remember the original).
Hold The Dream is a direct sequel that could have been part of the first series and therefore it feels like one story. The second sequel To Be The Best looks more like a generic prime time soap opera and it didn't help that the role of Emma's granddaughter Paula was recast. Perhaps Jenny Seagrove sensed that this tacked-on sequel wouldn't do her career much good.
Oddly enough, Lindsay Wagner - who had also starred in another BTB mini-series Voice Of The Heart - is placed at the bottom of the credits list on IMDB.
What I mean to say is that I don't expect the remake to include all sequels, but hey, they might surprise us and do it The Crown style.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a mini-series remake of a mini-series!
The final part of the original miniseries remains Channel 4’s highest rating broadcast to date (13.8m viewers), so I can see the appeal in them remaking it (although it won’t pull in anything close to that these days).
What I mean to say is that I don't expect the remake to include all sequels, but hey, they might surprise us and do it The Crown style.
Presumably off the back of the success of AWOS, Channel 4 commissioned Hold the Dream, but it wasn’t as well received as the original from what I can gather. The third part, To Be The Best, was made by ITV. So, I’d guess that Channel 4 may not be as committed to redoing the sequels.
 

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Presumably off the back of the success of AWOS, Channel 4 commissioned Hold the Dream, but it wasn’t as well received as the original from what I can gather
Perhaps the two years gap between the mini-series didn't help either, sometimes it's better to strike while the iron is hot - which wasn't possible because the sequel had not been written yet, but the remake could benefit from it.
 

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In general I miss the Mini Series genre. To us the viewers we knew going in we were going to see a beginning, middle and end. I'm surprised commercial networks (around the world) have not re-visited this formula because on occasion a mini series became so popular it would transcend into a series. There were some brilliant ones from the 80's, Return To Eden, North and South, Roots, Brideshead Revisited.

In today's tough environment where commercial networks are struggling for viewers I wonder why they haven't looked at this. The potential is there. Show the mini-series on your network then off-sell it to companies like Netflix.
I also miss the Mini Series genre. They were fun to watch. Entertaining as well as educational especially if they were a period mini series like North & South, The Winds of War, or even The Kent Family saga.

I believe the VCR came out at this time with was great timing.

I would love for the mini series to come back maybe in Netflix or cable. Not sure if ABC, CBS, or NBC could do them ever again.
 
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I used to love the mini series - my favourites (in no particular order) are Roots, Shogun & "V" & Return to Eden - which were all event TV at the time they were screened.

Both "V" & Return to Eden eventually sent to series but were down right dreadful - just goes to show that making a successful Mini Series is a masterly craft.
I agree. They were both better as mini series. V especially. The premise of the series was dumb. After kicking them off the planet, why would we ever invite them back?
 

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I agree. They were both better as mini series. V especially. The premise of the series was dumb. After kicking them off the planet, why would we ever invite them back?

The aliens never really left - they were hiding behind the moon! Even as a kid I knew this was dumb.
 

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The only mini series I couldn't see remade unless the story was changed would be I'll Take Manhattan, though it would be interesting to see if the hair and fashions actually matched the decade vs the original where the setting was the 60s, but everyone dressed as if it were the 80s.

Plus, the original was so good with Valerie B as the head strong and stubborn Maxi
 

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The premise of the series was dumb.
Yes, dumb and funny. Diana was a real terror in the original story and in the series it was all those convoluted stories to make her the resident bitch who hated the other female characters.
It's awesomely bad when rated as an isolated series, but as a continuation of the mini-series it was pure trash.
 

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There's a huge miniseries fan out there who has a great YouTube channel and even wrote a book about miniseries. Here's his list of the ten most melodramatic miniseries:



I have to admit, I've only seen about half of them, and I've never even seen number one, but I know that Lace was a hit, though Lace II wasn't.
 
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