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@Daniel Avery this would be fantastic - if Quentin Tarantino could write and direct it! But we know that will never happen. 'TV Line' also has some wishes how the show should end. And while it appears to be logical to the storylines I fear most of it will not completed how it should:
5. WYATT MUST DIE (...)
4. JUSTIN NEEDS TO GET HELP (...)
3. THREE COUPLES SHOULD GET HAPPY ENDINGS (...) Jeffrey and Madison, Benny and Rianna, and Candace and Mitch (....)
2. THE VILLAINS HAVE GOTTA PAY… DEARLY (...) the unholy trinity of Veronica, Jim and Katheryn have to get their comeuppance. Ideally, Veronica will wind up being blown to bits by the bombs that she’s earmarked for her family (...)
1. HANNA MUST STRIKE IT RICH (...)
I disagree about Katheryn's destiny. Killing Jennifer Sallis was actually about a mother who knew that her son becomes the victim of the D.A.'s actions (again almost dying because the bitch gave him the money for drugs - well aware of his history). Before that Jennifer claimed that Amanda was murdered. Above all it was one of my all-time favorite soap scenes when Katheryn walked to the stairs after the killing and cared for the flowers. The actress Reneé Lawless (who reminded me a bit about the time when I watched The Bold & The Beautiful because of Darlene Conley's Sally Spectra) delivered so many memorable moments but without the malicious glee Veronica is displaying. And Katheryn stayed longer in jail than any of the other characters - I think compared to Wyatt's drunk-driving responsible for the death of a child and Veronica's murders and murder attempts it's unfair. She already got her "comeuppance". Freedom for Katheryn!

So far that 'TV Line'-article had more than 540 comments. The story about the cancellation from a week ago received more than 1.000 comments - people seem to be very angry about it.
 

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Fans of the show tend to gravitate to TVLine because so few other sites give them any coverage. TVLine would often do recaps and gossip when no one else did. I do wish the commenters would get a grip and quit writing as if Tyler Perry is running the site, though--all the "Please don't cancel the show, Tyler"-type posts are misdirected to TVLine's administrators and clog up the site. Besides, the decision was made long ago and a "done deal"; they've probably already filmed the last episodes and released the actors and crew to go look for other work. Eight seasons is a good run.

Speaking of which, some of the HAHN actors might now be available to play roles on NuDynasty (which also films in Atlanta). My imagination is running wild.

As for their list of Must Haves:
5. Yes, put him out of his misery.
4. They're generous--I've wanted him written out for several years and believe he would not have stuck around had he not been Tika Sumpter's babydaddy.
3. Jeffrey and Madison could very easily decide to pack up and leave town; I'm not invested in Benny or his latest girlfriend; I like the idea of Candace/Mitch but I fear TP's affinity for Tika Sumpter means he will want Candace to come out on top (with the Perpetual-President-Elect).
2. I agree with you that Kathryn has suffered enough--but Veronica deserves a cinematic, cathartic, karma-filled death that befits her heinous reign of terror. Jim could be bumped off randomly and left by the side of the road in a Hefty bag for all I care. As long as he doesn't emerge in any way 'victorious' at the end.
1. I don't think Hannah's life would be improved by becoming rich. I mean, did money make ANY of their lives better? I think the best happy ending for her would involve a solid, honest romance, but it would not be as rewarding to the viewer if it's rushed (and it would have to be, since there's only eight episodes left).
 
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...and tonight is the night: HAHN returns for the final eight episodes.
[rubs hands together]

For all the wishing and theorizing about what we will see, I think it will be satisfying enough just to see actual, measurable plot progression!!!
 

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So we got some plot progression with Jeffrey/Madison courtesy of Justin's fiery exit which, while not as gruesome as Extra-Crispy Erica, was kind of gross. The crack from Colby about Jeffrey "smelling like bad barbecue" was hilariously tasteless, and his attempt at "helping" Madison help Jeffrey yielded a joke so good I'm wondering if the censor caught it (paraphrasing):
Madison (as Jeffrey tries to push him away emotionally): "I keep trying and trying, but he won't let me in."
Colby: "That's never stopped you before."

But like I said, they had some plot progression simply by lingering on that one story for the entire first half of the episode, which amazed me. The old formula had each story getting one or two scenes at most during the hour, not allowing much to happen simply because they only had three minutes in an hour-long episode. If they continue to use this new format (first half dedicated to one story, second half to three or four others) they might actually be able to wrap it all up well.

I'm still not quite sure what the Mitch/Jim thing is all about (I know it involves Mitch skimming some money off the top in some Malone thing with Jim), so their scene didn't have the impact that it should have (with me, anyway). And I've always felt the stuff with Charles, Landon, and DC was superfluous. And frankly I think the Hannah/Veronica scenes were kind of fan-service-y since they've had much more legitimate reasons to come to blows over the years and managed to resist.
 

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Maybe Hannah is build up to finally explode against one of the people who bully her? Prior to Veronica there were the lawyers and Jim. It's interesting to me that Perry has no problem to show hierarchy thinking among black characters - I've seen that in crime shows sometimes but never on a soap with such hurtful insults. My nightmare finale sees Veronica going into politics.

Right now I don't understand David and Jim. Is David still working with Jim against Katheryn or not? David has nothing to win with that and aside of his dealings with Jim he is a decent person. That has to stop before the finale!

Mitch and Jim was just to show the balance of terror I think. They both know how to threaten the other. But Jim has more to lose if Wyatt becomes a victim again because Mitch is able to manipulate his clan and he has more people to count on. Would his uncle Vinny really turn against him - after the trouble with the Cryers where Mitch's moderate handling proved to be better for the Malones? And should Mama Malone return I doubt she's dropping her charming grandson. Transferring the crime dynasty's business over from Vinny to Sandy in the future wouldn't be wise either. Assuming that Perry thought about how a mobster family operates.

I hope DC isn't the happy end for Candace (but... still better than my nightmare Veronica there). Charles and Landon don't have a life outside hotel rooms or offices and seem to be in another show. When I've read announcements for Perry's White House soap I was convinced it would be a spin-off with them and Candace. That didn't happen so we're stuck with them and it's so boring I hope the jealous cocaine snake is back soon.

The first half of the episode focusing on Jeffrey and Madison was okay but the preview for the next episode makes me fear the worst for Colby whose barbecue line will be fonduely remembered...

I hope we don't have to see Justin's mother again because his brother is also in the preview and it's too much time spend with extensions of a dead supporting player who was around too much himself and given that Wyatt and Katheryn are still in the hospital/ jail reducing the contact to other characters and missing drama (Wyatt needs Jim to go full crazy). I don't think it's Covid related because the other actors seem to be close in their scenes.
 
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They were doing the "story bubbles" (one to three actors always grouped together and interacting in limited venues/sets) long before Covid because it is a tried-and-true method of filming a lot of material in a short period of time cheaply. It was expanded once Covid hit because it was easier to test those two or three actors and a smaller crew, make sure they were healthy, and then film multiple scenes for a few days on a lone, deserted set (hotel, home, etc.). Much easier than large crowd scenes with multiple lighting/camera changes requiring larger groups of people in tight quarters. Before Covid I admit I was growing tired of seeing the same sets and repetitive scenes/dialogue between the same actors, but now I understand it's a necessary evil. It is rather laughable at this point that "The President-Elect" hasn't been inaugurated after so many years and is living like a hermit.

I was kind of amused at how they brought back Justin's mother Pearl for that "too little, too late" appearance. The guys were more kind to her than she probably deserved, but it was certainly not the time to point out how she failed her mentally-ill son for what seems like years (but in HAHN time is probably three months). My guess is that TP probably only had her appear as a sort of "blast from the past" guest-starring gig that TV shows often engineer when they're in their final season. Pearl was a nasty piece of work most of the time but Maree Cheatham took a one-note character and made her a scene-stealer back when she was Candace's nosy, casually-racist neighbor. I'm not sure the show wants to spend too much time ironing out the very wrinkled lives of the Lewises (Pearl, Justin, and that other son of hers who seemed to only exist to bully and beat Justin), but if the show had been continuing longer it would have been an interesting area to explore. As it is, I think they will likely use that brother a bit more and then lose that whole family of characters since they were never meant to be front burner.

Another such "blast from the past" that we seem to be getting is Kathryn's lover-boy Roderick, her "kept man" last seen fleeing town when an INS agent came a-knocking. They wrote Kathryn's dialogue this week as if he did not flee after all and is still hiding out in Wyatt's old loft apartment--probably just so we can see him one last time. As much as I want Kathryn out of jail and kicking Jim's butt some more, I have to remind myself that as soon as Kathryn gets sprung from the Big House, Hannah won't be running Kathryn's fortune and getting in the way of all the evil-doers who want to sink their hooks into it.

The undercurrent of the relations between Jim/Kathryn and David/Veronica is that they have enough "dirt" on each other (from various cover-ups and schemes over the decades of knowing one another) that none of them will rat on the other for fear of their own misdeeds being revealed. They use this to justify David not killing Veronica with his bare hands :ms: but also justify why David helps Jim with his schemes and generally acts like Jim's "mop up service". David is the only character with his own catch phrase: "I'll handle it." Well, there should come a point where this nebulous threat of "his past crimes being revealed" isn't enough to make David keep being Jim's mop-up man and letting Veronica try to kill him over and over. But what more could they do? I mean, short of Veronica killing Jeffrey right in front of him, I can't see what could be done to get David to finally crack.
 

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Oh, MC and I go waaaay back. ;) I'll forever equate her with "Stephanie Wyatt," who was the main mover/shaker/all-purpose scene-stealer on the daytime soap Search for Tomorrow for most of the late-1970s and early 1980s. Stephanie alternated between good and bad over her time, mostly a villainess but occasionally the victim or sympathetic anti-heroine. She was many things to the people of that town, but she was never boring. Yes, she was also rotten ol' Mary Robeson, and played that to the hilt. I think Tyler P likely knew her from her myriad of soap roles (not just Stephanie or Mary---the woman has a huge resume) and knew she'd be able to tackle a smaller role and make her memorable.

Mentioning the Roderick/Beto thing makes me wish that Dynasty would do a wholesale raid of the now-unemployed HAHN cast and sign a few key members to contracts. [whispers] Aaron O'Connell as Steven [/whispers]
 

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Given last night's episode was the second of the final eight episodes, I was expecting more to happen. Yes, Colby got the stuffing kicked out of him but all that chit-chat between Benny and Candace may have made me doze off a bit. I've never really cared for Benny in the first place, so having a big chunk of the episode dedicated to him buying a house with that ill-gotten money (as if he didn't learn his lesson the last time that happened) did not enthrall me. It was set-up for the "real" plot, I guess, since we've seen Benny's real estate agent is the abused girlfriend of that Malone brother (and they'll be having a blow-out next week). Brytni Sarpy (who pays Rianna the real estate agent) had left her role of Valerie Spencer on General Hospital when she filmed this, and was not yet cast on The Young and the Restless.

Brava to Hannah for putting the screws to Veronica (54 million of them), but am I the only one who was disappointed that Hannah did not yank off Veronica's wig in their fight? I love a good wig-snatchin' every once in a while. For the first time in I-don't-know-when, Veronica is on the ropes and she knows it. I guess Kathryn's ultimate fate hinges on who finds that file (and what they do with it). From what I gather, the file has proof that she owns the gun that was used to kill the DA. We know what Veronica will do with it if she finds it, and can be reasonably certain that Jim and/or David would destroy it to help Kathryn beat the rap. But what would Hannah do? As much as she loves/respects Kathryn, wouldn't Hannah have a crisis of conscience when asked to be part of destroying evidence and allowing Kathryn to get away with murder? After all, that's one of the 'big' commandments that got broken.

Back when they were all running around trying to cover up the murder, I remember Kathryn packed up all the furniture in the "original" house, put it all in storage and left Jim to live in that empty house. Veronica convinced Kathryn to burn the house down to make it harder for investigators to find any forensic evidence linking Jennifer's death to the Cryers. Jim mentioned in passing how stupid it was to burn the house down when the furniture (especially the antique Oriental rug that Jennifer bled to death on) had only been "visibly" cleaned, then put in a storage facility. Kathryn pointed out that the rug had cost $250,000 and no way was she going to get rid of it (!!). That rug has always lingered in the back of my mind as the real "smoking gun" that has likely been forgotten.
 
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