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Earlier we had some of the greatest cliffhangers facing off, here we have some of the weakest.

Match 1: As @Angela Channing suggests, if we ignore what led up to it, the question of did JR finally shoot himself wins my vote - Dallas Season 14.

Match 2: Knots Landing was known for its emotion-based cliffhangers which didn't necessarily have anyone's life in danger but this one was so down key that it was "huh? was that it?" so JR getting his comeuppance in the looney bin wins by a hair - Dallas Season 13.
 

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Remember, the poll closes at midday on Wednesday. You are choosing a winner between Dallas season 14 (Adam, who appears to be the devil, goads JR to shoot himself) and Falcon Crest season 4 (The Cartel blow up Richard’s house with him and Maggie inside it) and between Knots Landing season 12 (Karen gets in a car chase with teenagers causing them to crash their car. Jason is in back seat of the other car and gets injured) and Dallas season 13 (James rips up JR’s release papers forcing him to stay in the sanatorium).

Get your vote in before it's too late..

 

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I love both cliffhangers in the first matchup. This is difficult. I love FC and I love FC season 4. But JR's off screen possible death and the mystery around the last episode is iconic to me. What if JR has died??

Why would you do this to me? Make me choose?

I have not gotten that far in KL yet, only on s5. This cliffhanger looks good though. I actually like the JR getting dragged into the infirmary ending, it was funny and scary to me.

JR is such a great character. It's hard to vote against him...

Maggie and Richard is such a fun but ultimately evil pairing to me, she belongs with Chase. But the tension is great here. The writers did a good job with the love triangle.

But there's no way they'd kill off Richard or Maggie! Lol! Everyone loved them.

I'm going with:

Dallas season 14
Dallas season 13

I feel like JR in danger is so compelling. Especially at the end. Look at that you made me vote against Falcon Crest!!!! :(
 

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You are choosing a winner between Dallas season 14 (Adam, who appears to be the devil, goads JR to shoot himself) and Falcon Crest season 4 (The Cartel blow up Richard’s house with him and Maggie inside it)

I guess the main problem with this DALLAS cliffhanger is that we first see JR contemplating suicide at the end of the previous episode. We then go on a detour to a parallel universe which drags on so long that by the time we return to the same scenario at the end of this episode, the moment has been stretched out for so long that all urgency has been lost and by the time the shot is finally heard, it almost feels like an afterthought.

This FALCON CREST cliffhanger is a classic example of When Storylines Collide. With his daughter dead and his empire in tatters, Richard is at his lowest ebb when he receives a visit from good friend Maggie, fresh from her own storyline where she has just found her husband in the arms of another woman. She tries to comfort Richard, he tries to comfort her, and bang … they kiss! They really, properly kiss! For the first time! The unspoken, unacknowledged something between them — which we’ve only ever previously glimpsed out of the corner of our collective eye — is suddenly at the heart of the season finale. Unthinkable and yet somehow inevitable, this kiss is in its own way the dramatic equal of that season’s other Soap Land cliffhangers: Katherine Wentworth ploughing into Bobby, the Moldavian wedding erupting into carnage and Val Ewing’s slow-motion head spin as her babies head off in opposite directions. And then, as if The Kiss wasn’t enough, the house they're in is suddenly blown to smithereens, courtesy of a bomb planted by … who knows who? Like I say, a classic.

FALCON CREST!

and between Knots Landing season 12 (Karen gets in a car chase with teenagers causing them to crash their car. Jason is in back seat of the other car and gets injured) and Dallas season 13 (James rips up JR’s release papers forcing him to stay in the sanatorium).

I like how young whippersnapper James manages to pull off an outrageous triple-cross that earns him the season finale freeze-frame as he watches his daddy being dragged away by in the men in white coats, just as JR watched the same thing happen to Sue Ellen eleven years earlier. Cool! (And of course, in another twenty-three years, James’s younger brother will do the same thing to his mama all over again, only as part of a much more emotionally complicated situation — but that’s another story).

KNOTS’s cliffhanger is completely out of the blue and totally off the wall, and so deserves points for that. And it’s very interesting to end the season by putting Karen, the moral centre of the show, in such a morally ambiguous position.

DALLAS!
 
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can anyone tell me if there was a lead up to Karen cracking and chasing those teens? Was the neighbourhood being terrorised by antisocial teens and this was her breaking point? Or was this an isolated incident and she just snapped?
There had been some stuff with Jason and Julie getting caught up in a gang, but yeah, for Karen it comes out of nowhere.
 

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The voting has now closed and in 2 week 6 matches as close as Manchester City winning the Premier League over Liverpool the results are as follows:

Match 1
Dallas Season 14 - 5 votes
Falcon Crest Season 4 - 6 votes

Match 2
Knots Landing Season 12 - 7 votes
Dallas season 13 - 4 votes

The winners going through to round 2 are Falcon Crest Season 4 (The Cartel blow up Richard’s house with him and Maggie inside it) and Knots Landing season 12 (Karen gets in a car chase with teenagers causing them to crash their car. Jason is in back seat of the other car and gets injured).




Thanks to everyone who voted. Details of the next round 1 matches will be posted on this thread tomorrow.
 

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The poll is now open for you to choose which cliffhangers you would like to win each of the next 2 matches to go through to round 2.

You may vote for a winner of either match or for both matches but remember you are voting for your favourite cliffhanger, not your favourite episode or favourite soap opera.

Stating the reasons for your choices is encouraged as this makes the contest more interesting and may help others in making their decisions. However, this is entirely optional and you can just state your chosen winner of each match if you prefer.

This week is not just what @Mel O'Drama called a “Lorimarama” but also some major Knots Landing overload but that’s how the random draw came out.

Match 1

Dallas Season 8
(Bobby dies after being run down by Katherine) vs Knots Landing Season 5 (Karen is shot by one of Mark St Claire’s people).



 
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Match 2

Knots Landing Season 1
(Gary finally seeks help for his alcoholism by attending an AA meeting) vs Knots Landing Season 3 (Val leaves Gary after finding him in bed with Abby)





The vote will close on Wednesday 1st June.
 
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100% match 1 Dallas, best ever episode of Dallas in my opinion. So beautiful, emotional, wonderful. This was soap perfection. Go Victoria! If BBG had been in it it would’ve been all the better, nevertheless it was magnificent. It won an Emmy for costume design, was the last time the show got to number one and VP should’ve got an Emmy nod. It was the pinnacle of seven years, so much emotional investment in the characters and the show , we all knew it would never be the same after this

match 2, not that I saw it, but Knots Landing. Val catching Gary, wahoo!
 
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Round 1 - Week 8



AKA Lorimararama III: The Ewings Strike Back




Match 1

How ironic: Dallas's Knotsiest emotional cliffhanger versus Knots's broadest, almost traditional Dallas-style cliffhanger. One Ewing brother "dies" as another returns from the "dead".

This Knots episode has everything thrown in (including a kitchen sink or two): mysterious phone calls leading characters into position like chess pieces; heavily pregnant Val sitting in a car under which a bomb is said to be planted; Abby kidnapped after getting in over her head trying to do the right thing; an assassination attempt on Gary's life (with Mack faking Gary's death after an earlier attempt, Gary is almost literally a dead man walking); Mack essentially accidentally shooting his own (estranged) wife. I love that it's all about obsession: Mack's "at any cost" obsessive pursuit of Wolfbridge has already practically cost him his marriage and now paints targets on the backs of his friends and neighbours. Val is put in harms way because she still loves Gary. So, too, does Abby, but her drive for money and power has created a lot of the situation. Karen being in the right place at the wrong time is very true to her character who can't resist getting involved. It almost has too much going on to the point that the episode only makes true sense when watched in its place as the culmination of a story that's bubbled away for the best part of a season. On face value it looks very plot-driven, but scratch the surface and there's a complex skein to be found. Either way, it's tremendous fun. The lengthy recap at the beginning of Season Six got replayed ad nauseam on my old VHS player in the late Eighties.

Who Shot JR vs The Moldavian Massacre was a difficult choice for many. For me, this is even more challenging. I'm very fond of both these cliffhangers.

The Dallas episode is indeed one of the greatest. It looks wonderful, the score is beautiful and it feels extremely cinematic (reinforced by its longer running length). It's a bold choice for an exit, and has long felt for me like a natural choice for a series ending (rather than simply a season finale). It's a game changer, extremely rewatchable, and probably a more satisfying complete episode than the Knots episode. Ultimately, though this particular Dallas ending feels less cliffhanger-y than the Knots finale.

Since Dallas - with its brand loyalty - is going to thrash it anyway, I'll give my underdog vote to the spinoff's most outrageous hour...

Knots Landing - Season Five










Match 2


Gary's AA meeting - although the culmination of a terrific and powerful two-part story - is still a throwback to Knots's episodic early years. Ahead of time, I was fairly sure I wasn't going to vote for it on the basis that it's not very cliffhangery. However, the fact that it's up against another emotional cliffhanger with a sense of finality has thrown it well and truly back onto the table.

I hadn't really thought about it, but these two episodes essentially tell the same story. Gary is tempted away from Poor Val by some combination of Jock's three Bs. Val stands stoically by her man-in-crisis, making excuses for him and believing in him. Until she doesn't. Val's decisive action gives him a wakeup call and he faces the prospect of living without her. With two very different outcomes.

Both stories pack an emotional punch and represent turning points for the characters. Season One ends on a hopeful note as Gary chooses to do the right thing and starts to claw his way back. I can't even think of that final image of Val enthusiastically applauding Gary with tears in her eyes without my own eyes stinging. In the context of this match, it's even more bittersweet to think that the man she has such faith in will continue to destroy himself and his marriage for another two years before Val has her eyes well and truly opened.

By Season Three, one feels there simply is no way back for either Gary or Val. That long shot of Val's Pinto screeching out of the cul de sac in darkness as Gary watches helplessly feels pretty cataclysmic: not only the end of Gary and Val's second marriage (which it is) but also potentially the end of Knots Landing. We were introduced to the cul de sac mainly through Val's eyes. She's been our sherpa. The thought of the series continuing without her on Seaview Circle is unthinkable. It's as though she's leaving us, the loyal viewer, as well as her cheating husband.

The Season One ending makes me want to cheer and then come back to find out what happens next. But the Season Three ending demands the viewer's return to watch the inevitable fallout from Val's drastic choice, which is the mark of a good cliffhanger.

If we were voting for entire episodes, this would be a very difficult choice, and I'd still be trying to choose between Gary literally choosing the bottle of alcohol over Val in front of her eyes and Lilimae blackmailing "the blonde kid" into attending Val's party.

It's still been closer than I thought it would be, but the TTWC focus on the cliffhanger element makes my choice easier...

Knots Landing - Season Three
 

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Week 8



AKA Lorimararama III: The Ewings Strike Back




Match 1

How ironic: Dallas's Knotsiest emotional cliffhanger versus Knots's broadest, almost traditional Dallas-style cliffhanger. One Ewing brother dies as another returns from the "dead".

This Knots episode has everything thrown in (including a kitchen sink or two): mysterious phone calls leading characters into position like chess pieces; heavily pregnant Val sitting in a car under which a bomb is said to be planted; Abby kidnapped after getting in over her head trying to do the right thing; an assassination attempt on Gary's life (with Mack faking Gary's death after an earlier attempt, Gary is almost literally a dead man walking); Mack essentially accidentally shooting his own (estranged) wife. I love that it's all about obsession: Mack's "at any cost" obsessive pursuit of Wolfbridge has already practically cost him his marriage and now paints targets on the backs of his friends and neighbours. Val is put in harms way because she still loves Gary. So, too, does Abby, but her drive for money and power has created a lot of the situation. Karen being in the right place at the wrong time is very true to her character who can't resist getting involved. It almost has too much going on to the point that the episode only makes true sense when watched in its place as the culmination of a story that's bubbled away for the best part of a season. On face value it looks very character-driven, but scratch the surface and there's a complex skein to be found. Either way, it's tremendous fun. The lengthy recap at the beginning of Season Six got replayed ad nauseam on my old VHS player in the late Eighties.

The Dallas episode is indeed one of the greatest. It looks wonderful, the score is beautiful and it feels extremely cinematic (reinforced by its longer running length). It's a bold choice for an exit, and has long felt for me like a natural choice for a series ending (rather than simply a season finale). It's a game changer, extremely rewatchable, and possibly a more satisfying complete episode than the Knots episode. Ultimately, though this particular Dallas ending feels less cliffhanger-y than the Knots finale.

Since Dallas - with its brand loyalty - is going to thrash it anyway, I'll give my underdog vote to the spinoff's most outrageous hour...

Knots Landing - Season Five










Match 2


Gary's AA meeting - although the culmination of a terrific and powerful two-part story - is still a throwback to Knots's episodic early years. Ahead of time, I was fairly sure I wasn't going to vote for it on the basis that it's not very cliffhangery. However, the fact that it's up against another emotional cliffhanger with a sense of finality has thrown it well and truly back onto the table.

I hadn't really thought about it, but these two episodes essentially tell the same story. Gary is tempted away from Poor Val by some combination of Jock's three Bs. Val stands stoically by her man-in-crisis, making excuses for him and believing in him. Until she doesn't. Val's decisive action gives him a wakeup call and he faces the prospect of living without her. With two very different outcomes.

Both stories pack an emotional punch and represent turning points for the characters. Season One ends one a hopeful note as Gary chooses to do the right thing and start to claw his way back. I can't even think of that final image of Val enthusiastically applauding Gary with tears in her eyes without my own eyes stinging. In the context of this match, it's even more bittersweet to think that the man she has such faith in will continue to destroy himself and his marriage for another two years before Val has her eyes well and truly opened.

By Season Three, one feels there simply is no way back for either Gary or Val. That long night shot of Val's Pinto screeching out of the cul de sac as Gary watches helplessly feels pretty cataclysmic: not only the end of Gary and Val's second marriage (which it is) but also potentially the end of Knots Landing. We were introduced to the cul de sac mainly through Val's eyes. She's been our sherpa. The thought of the series continuing without her on Seaview Circle is unthinkable. It's as though she's leaving us, the loyal viewer, as well as her cheating husband.

The Season One ending makes me want to come back to find out what happens next. But the Season Three ending demands the viewer's return to watch the inevitable fallout from Val's drastic choice, which is the mark of a good cliffhanger.

If we were voting for entire episodes, this would be a very difficult choice, and I'd still be trying to choose between Gary literally choosing the bottle of alcohol over Val in front of her eyes and Lilimae blackmailing "the blonde kid" into attending Val's party.

It's still been closer than I thought it would be, but the TTWC focus on the cliffhanger element makes my choice easier...

Knots Landing - Season Three
If I was only allowed one word to respond to this post it would be" Wow!"

This is such a brilliant analysis of the 4 cliffhangers in play this week, highlighting nuances and connections that I never previously considered, that I can only marvel at its cleverness. Thank you for this contribution.
 

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This is such a brilliant analysis of the 4 cliffhangers in play this week, highlighting nuances and connections that I never previously considered, that I can only marvel at its cleverness. Thank you for this contribution.

Oh gosh - thanks AC. Any inspiration came from the World Cup and your screen caps, so you can take a good deal of the credit.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the TTWCs, and love how each match allows us to look at familiar episodes through different eyes. Each week I look forward to seeing which episodes will be pitted against one another, and reading people's reasons for voting.

Thanks for all your hard work, and here's to many more weeks of matches. :dance:
 

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Week 8,

Match 1:
These are two of my all - time favourite cliffhangers. How to choose between them?
The way that car-crash is shot in Dallas is near perfection, from the build-up with that mysterious car at the entrance to the drive-way. At night time it looks a bit sinister, but in the morning we are lulled into a false sense of security - it's all nice music playing as our reconciled couple step outside, and the gardener working innocently in the background, but then you see the car is still there....
Love the slow motion, the fact it really looks like Bobby being hit - though it was probably a stuntman - and the violence of the collision with the truck. I would have voted for this one, but killing Bobby on-screen was a huge mistake for the show. The episode should have ended - in my humblest opinion - with Pam cradling Bobby in her arms just after the crash. That way we're not sure if he's dead, and they could have explained his absence in a coma in some remote clinic for the following season.

Because of this, i'm going for Knots. It may look a bit OTT and dated now, but having so many of our beloved Knots characters all in jeapordy at the same time was fabulous edge-of-the-seat drama. This is the Ultimate Cliffhanger. Like Mel O'D says, the brilliantly camp recap at the start of Season 6 is also classic, with that dramatic orchestral music as Karen runs into that foyer dressed all in red, this era was the pinnacle of Knots for me.

So it's KNOTS LANDING (Season 5)

Match 2: It has to be Season 3, because the first cliffhanger, 'I'm an alcoholic' is less a cliffhanger, than a calm resolution to what had come before. But Season 3 had a sense of finality about it. Everyone in the cul-de-sac knew Gary was having an affair, but Val being forced to confront it head on was still shocking to see. The vulnerability of her driving off in the night like that really made it look like she could be gone from the show for good.

So Match 2: KNOTS LANDING (Season 3)

There are clips from lots of these cliffhangers on Youtube, which are worth a look if you haven't seen them recently.
 

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it's all nice music playing as our reconciled couple step outside

The way Lance Rubin distorts that nice music into something outright disturbing when it all kicks off is brilliant. I think there's some kind of minor key going on, but as I'm no muso, perhaps someone else can confirm.



the brilliantly camp recap at the start of Season 6 is also classic, with that dramatic orchestral music as Karen runs into that foyer dressed all in red

Jerrold Immel did the score, which is a favourite of mine. The recap music was also rejigged a year later for the Season Seven premiere's recap of the S6 finale.

Back in the late-Noughties when we were teased with the CD soundtrack of Immel's music from Knots and Dallas which never emerged, it was my hope that the Season Six premiere would be featured. Not least because there's a gorgeously orchestrated version of Laura's Theme from The Lie which plays over the scene of Mack and the Fairgate kids in the waiting room as Karen undergoes her surgery.



Everyone in the cul-de-sac knew Gary was having an affair, but Val being forced to confront it head on was still shocking to see.

Oh yes. That's spot on. Val's denial being shattered was painful to watch.

It's quite fascinating to look at the story through the three biennial Gary/Val cliffhangers here. Two years after leaving him apparently forever, he's married to someone else but Val's pregnant with Gary's kids and risking getting blown up to catch a glimpse of him.
 

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Match 1: DALLAS season 8.

There wasn't a dry eye with many viewers, as Bobby give up the ghost. Of course it was the start of Pam's dream. Little did we know.

Match 2: KNOTS season 3.

I felt sorry for Gary, as season 1 finished. However I will vote the 3rd season. The Abster and her wicked claws.
 

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The winners going through to round 2 are Falcon Crest Season 4 (The Cartel blow up Richard’s house with him and Maggie inside it) and Knots Landing season 12 (Karen gets in a car chase with teenagers causing them to crash their car. Jason is in back seat of the other car and gets injured).
Dallas got voted out both times. That surprises me.
This is such a brilliant analysis of the 4 cliffhangers in play this week, highlighting nuances and connections that I never previously considered, that I can only marvel at its cleverness. Thank you for this contribution.
Completely agree. And also with the conclusions - Knots is back with a vengeance in this round,
The heart-pounding Knots Landing Season 5 is arguably the greatest of them all and Knots Landing Season 3 is emotionally draining as well. In one the end almost comes out of nowhere while in the other it's the inevitable outcome yet you can't quite believe it's happened.
The fact that in both cases the competition is more finale than cliffhanger makes the choice even easier.
 

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The Season One ending makes me want to cheer and then come back to find out what happens next. But the Season Three ending demands the viewer's return to watch the inevitable fallout from Val's drastic choice, which is the mark of a good cliffhanger
Good point. The "what happens next" is what keeps us watching these soaps in the first place therefore it can (and often does) apply to all episode cliffhangers.
The climax in the season finale suggests that the ramifications thereof could shake things up more severely, it's no longer about the "if" but about the "how".

The DALLAS cliffhanger already shows the "how" in its final scene and the question "how is the series going to survive without Patrick Duffy?" seems more important - but less interesting - than "how are the Ewings going to cope with Bobby's death?" It's not hard to imagine what that's going to look like.
KNOTS LANDING climaxes with "everything going wrong at the same time", and if you'd replace Mack with Chase Gioberti then it feels a lot like FALCON CREST's second season finale.

The DALLAS season finale episode as a whole is probably the best in this round, but based on cliffhanger value....

Match 1: KNOTS LANDING Season 5
Match 2: KNOTS LANDING Season 3
 

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Up there with the strongest cliffhangers of both of the respective shows. Swansong is my favourite Dallas episode but as I always remind everyone, this is about the actual cliffhanger (the final scene or scenes) and not the whole episode and although Bobby death scene wasn't a nail-biting ending it was emotionally wrought and gripping. What Dallas often did very well was drag a scene out to heighten the emotion and it's written brilliantly and the music is first rate, probably my favourite score of any Dallas scene. Some of it is overly melodramatic but it works brilliantly.

I had forgotten how good the Knots Landing cliffhanger was until I had to re-watch it to make the comic script for the World Cup and I hadn't previously appreciated how cleverly constructed it was. I loved the reveal that Gary was still alive causing both Karen and Valene to go to the hotel endangering their safety, Valene motivated by her enduring love for Gary and Karen by her compulsion to interfere because of she always believed she knew what was best. I loved how Karen wasn't directly shot but only as a result of an accident caused by Mack which introduced another level of tragedy to proceedings. While this was all playing out, Gary runs out to protect Valene and then just leaves her on her own when he realises Abby is also in danger whichtold us something about where his mind was regarding his second wife even after everything she had done to him. OVerally a great mix of action and emotion.

Really hard to decide between the 2 but based on the cliffhanger soly my vote goes to:

Knots Landings Season 5

Match 2
The finale of Knots season 1 was the culmination of a long running story even though the series still had an episodic structure at this stage. The scene at the AA is beautifully acted and set up the next season nicely, However, the season 3 cliffhanger set up more than its following season, it set up much of the remainder of the entire series. Everyone knew about the affair between Gary and Abby except for poor Val. When Karen confronts them, they are totally unapologetic but when Valene comes in the mood completely changes. I loved both cliffhangers but I give a bonus point to season 3 for the bravery of Ted Shackelford for wearing shortest and tightest pair of shorts in any prime time soap opera of the era. My vote goes to


Knots Landings Season 3
 
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