Alec Baldwin Fires Prop Gun Killing One, Injuring Another

[Frank Underwood]

There is a difference between the gun violence by the US police and with fatal accidents on film sets. There are other work places too where deadly accidents happen (construction sites, transport, raw material and chemical industries). This is not comparable to the excessive use of guns by the police in the US. We all know Baldwin's reputation and that he's also an anti-Trumper. No surprise that the deplorables at Twitter abuse the tragedy for their agenda.

The two events are obviously not comparable, but his choice of words seem eerie in light of what happened. You don't need an agenda to see that, although Alec's detractors are using it to their advantage. And even if Alec's not to blame, somebody must be if crew members left the set prior to this incident because safety protocols weren't followed.

 

[Brian Kinney]

I also think that someone is responsible for the death. But so far I don't think it was intentional. If this would be just another fatal accident at work it's nothing more in the media than a brief notice in a local paper. No international affair. I really don't like how Baldwin is now depicted. He's also singled out as "the" producer of the film in social media comments. But according to IMDb the film RUST has six producers (Baldwin among them), one co-producer and five executive producers.

So why is it discussed that Baldwin will be held responsible without mentioning the eleven other producers? None of the articles I've read named the producer who is in charge of running it at location yet. And I somehow doubt that was Baldwin himself. What is known is there was an assistant director who gave him the gun and allegedly didn't check it properly - even though there are usually armorers or prop masters at a set because weapons are not an AD's job. I understand the headlines because Baldwin is the one who pulled the trigger. But he didn't load it - until proven otherwise. And we also don't know exactly to which people in the production the crew (or union?) members directed their criticism before they left the set.

Such accidents are tragedies and I don't see a point in highlighting what someone has said in the past if it has nothing to do with the present because Baldwin has been outspoken against gun activists for his whole life. It doesn't contradict what he wrote. He hasn't accidentally or intentionally shot someone in his house. Acting is his job.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Such accidents are tragedies and I don't see a point in highlighting what someone has said in the past if it has nothing to do with the present because Baldwin has been outspoken against gun activists for his whole life. It doesn't contradict what he wrote. He hasn't accidentally or intentionally shot someone in his house. Acting is his job.

The motive behind highlighting what he said four years varies from person to person. Some are using it to bash Baldwin, while others find it spooky because of the accident.

Baldwin's an easy target because he's a controversial figure. The fact that he fired the prop gun is enough to bring out his haters. The problem with that is it does a disservice to the victims. There needs to be a proper investigation, and the person(s) responsible for the laxed safety precautions needs to be held accountable for this avoidable tragedy.

 

[Sarah]

Actors trust prop assistants/stage crew/crew members to give them the correct props, and an actor as high profile as Alec Baldwin wouldn't exactly be thinking 'oh I'd better make sure this gun and whatever is in it doesn't hurt anyone'. That said, either he should have known there was the potential for someone to be hurt or someone should have warned him before handing it to him.

I don't think he's entirely responsible, or that it was anything other than a tragic mistake but something needs to be done to make sure it never happens again. Accidents on film sets are inevitable but the fact that this has resulted in a death means something has to change.

 

[Biggie]

Terrible events that will weigh heavy on Alex Boldwin mind.

 

[Frank Underwood]

John Schneider (Bo Duke from The Dukes of Hazzard) was interviewed about gun safety on film sets, and he discussed what the proper protocols are supposed to be.

Schneider is a big Trumper and was interviewed on a right wing news show. Surprisingly, they didn't resort to ad hominem attacks on Baldwin.

 

[Biggie]

John Schneider (Bo Duke from The Dukes of Hazzard) was interviewed about gun safety on film sets, and he discussed what the proper protocols are supposed to be.

Schneider is a big Trumper and was interviewed on a right wing news show. Surprisingly, they didn't resort to ad hominem attacks on Baldwin.

Protocol????? Don't shoot no=body.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Protocol????? Don't shoot no=body.

And if the guns on set are inspected correctly, that won't happen.

 

[Biggie]

And if the guns on set are inspected correctly, that won't happen.

So... don't shoot no-body, right?

 

[Frank Underwood]

So... don't shoot no-body, right?

You make it sound like they were shot intentionally. If the gun had been properly inspected beforehand, nothing would have happened when Alec pulled the trigger.

 

[Biggie]

You make it sound like they were shot intentionally. If the gun had been properly inspected beforehand, nothing would have happened when Alec pulled the trigger.

Need to know that I comprehend fully what happened. I can't speak of American law. But I believe that the HSE consider it accepted practise and I also believe provision exists within H&S workplace is found on the statues.

Simply put in the UK the employee must ensure their actions don't cause harm to themselves and all others. The test is if the employee has taken all reasonable and practical step have been taken.

In the UK taking someone else's word would not make the legal test. Alec further inspecting the gun to confirm it's not a real gun with live rounds . Double checking the gun would be a reasonable and practical step.

 

[Frank Underwood]

In the UK taking someone else's word would not make the legal test. Alec further inspecting the gun to confirm it's not a real gun with live rounds . Double checking the gun would be a reasonable and practical step.

Yes, and John Schneider addressed that aspect of it as well in the video I posted. Alec should have been shown the gun was empty, and then dry fired it six times at the ground.

 

[Grant Jennings]

It's bad enough that everyday people have posted "humorous" tweets about this tragedy but for a member of Congress (Lauren Boebert) and a candidate for Senate (J.D. Vance) to do this is truly deplorable. Their schadenfreude trumps (pun intended) any compassion they may have for Halyna Hutchins' family.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

 

[DallasFanForever]

For someone who says he can’t talk about the situation he sure did say a lot. I can’t blame his wife for trying to shut it down. He really shouldn’t be talking to the media until the investigation is complete.

 

[Brian Kinney]

Baldwin does it because he's aware of his public image which has a lot to do with the media. I have no idea whether this is right or wrong but considering what happened in his past with paparazzi he probably thought this time he must tell something to limit similar follow-up situations with them.

 

[DallasFanForever]

Baldwin does it because he's aware of his public image which has a lot to do with the media. I have no idea whether this is right or wrong but considering what happened in his past with paparazzi he probably thought this time he must tell something to limit similar follow-up situations with them.

I guess I can understand that given his past history. It’s hard to put myself in his shoes right now and probably very unfair of me as well but I’m just looking at it the way I would handle it.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Another reason not to face down the press in this way is also about your demeanor... Alec comes off as desperate and pathetic in this -- and while many of us might in a similar situation, and that desperation certainly doesn't connote "guilt," that vulnerability can cause the public and the press to target you even more than they already are.

Even if this was an act by a good actor to appear as if he's falling apart in order to gain sympathy (which I kind of doubt) it was a miscalculation and a mistake.

 

[Seaviewer]

This was headlined here as "breaking his silence" but he broke it only to say he couldn't say anything which seems rather pointless.