“A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." Watching the Star Wars films

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You have now watched my least favourite (PHANTOM) and my favourite (REVENGE) movie.

When you mentioned the prequel trilogy contained your favourite and least favourites I'd guessed Phantom would be least favourite based on its reputation. I think I forgot to mention, but I'd also thought Revenge might be your favourite based on how it links up to the original trilogy.

Out of interest, where do the original and sequel trilogies fit in with you? Any favourites among them?




and every time I have watched it in the past ten years, I have skipped the whole pod race.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I found it a drag race in more than one sense.



I loved Maul. His whole appearance is still one of my favourites.

Maul was a nice surprise for me. I really wasn't expecting to like him, but he was one of the best things about that film for me.



I loved the final journey from Anakin as he becomes Dart Vader; I also loved how he destroyed so much of the Jedi council. Overall, it felt more threatening than anything the Vader did in the first trilogy of movies.

Yes. That all makes good sense.
 

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THE SEQUEL TRILOGY





The Force Awakens (2015)


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As with the prequels it’s fair to say expectations were low for this one.

In many ways it’s exactly the film one would expect from a belated Star Wars sequel (we’re now more than three decades on from Return Of The Jedi). It essentially tells exactly the same story all over again with a new generation of characters walking in the footsteps of the earlier generation, who themselves return as the series elders with experience behind their world-weary eyes (even if it hasn’t necessarily made them wiser). It’s an entirely (almost clinically) predictable exercise in pleasing old fans while enticing in new ones.

But these are exactly the reasons it works so well, and there are just enough twists on the familiar themes to make it feel not just watchable but compelling. Right at the top of the film, when we spent time with a Stormtrooper having a panic attack, I knew this was going to be an interesting one. Not only did I appreciate that for the first time one of these faceless minions was being given their own story, I needed to know who was beneath that helmet, and why they were in such a tizz.

Something this film does with precision is allowing the viewer to be a step ahead of the story, knowing where it’s going to go and yet still needing to see it happen, or even be anxious that it may not. Again and again, I experienced this: I was convinced Poe and Finn would escape in the TIE fighter, but I still felt relief when they did. I knew Rey would allow BB-8 to be her companion, but I was still concerned in those moments where she was ordering him away. And I wanted Finn to be able tell the truth about who he was, and I was sure it would be OK in the long run, yet I was really worried that it would undo their bonding, even if only temporarily. In short, I quickly connected with these characters and I was invested.

Not only this, but I found myself enjoying action sequences. The tone was mostly right and my investment helped. The effects also looked significantly more convincing the most recently made of the prequels, so it’s fair to say that CGI had come a long way in a decade.

Casting was pretty good. Most of the new characters were extremely likeable. Daisy Ridley worked really well as Rey, and had something about the young Sidney Prescott to her. I’d had a big problem with her contemporary RP inflections when I very recently watched the period film Death On The Nile. She still uses it here, but since this is set in a galaxy far, far away, who’s to say their English wouldn’t have evolved in this way, even if it was a long time ago. Finding her watchable here was a kind of redemption. John Bodega was better still. I really liked his character’s arc here and I thought he turned in a terrific performance. Already he feels like an essential piece of the puzzle. I’d far rather watch these fresh new characters than Ewan McGregor attempting to impersonate Alec Guinness.


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The Force Awakens

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I wasn’t sure at first about Adam Driver as Kylo Ren. It was a bit of a shock when he took off his helmet and there was this boy who looked as though he should be making YouTube reaction videos to Star Wars films rather than appearing in one. However he too turned in a decent performance. Not quite as intense as I’d have hoped, but he did have the unpredictable intensity of a young person who’s gone a bit off the rails which is its own kind of frightening. The space opera twist with the familiar relationship felt like an inverse Darth/Luke/Leia (in fact Kylo just felt like an ersatz Vader in so many ways, right down to the way he dressed), but it worked. Kind of like watching a soap that's been running for a decade or so and is revisiting its most popular story with a newer version. What makes it work is that the characters we saw live out the original are here and reliving it even more than we are.

Domhnall Gleeson as Hux made me laugh when he went full on with his angry, Hitler-esque speeches. The flaring nostrils and haughty mouth just reminded me of Kenneth Williams in full flight.

Lor San Tekka grabbed me with his avuncular gravitas. I was sorry Max von Sydow wasn’t in it more.

As for the new non-human characters, some felt quite familiar - BB-8 had something of the Wall-E about him (no bad thing), while Snoke felt like something from Lord Of The Rings. A favourite new character - evidently this trilogy’s Yoda - is Maz Kanata, who looked like a cross between Yoda, Gollum and Edna Mode. She was great fun.

Naturally, it’s great to see Threepio whose appearances always cheer me. Artoo and Chewie were fine here as well.

Han arriving on the scene felt very welcome. It’s like being at a family party full of young second cousins and suddenly your favourite uncle or granddad arrives and you realise why you’re there. Leia had a similar effect. Once they arrived, you felt all was going to be well - and this was used to good effect to misdirect the audience. As for Luke, well, Mark Hamill must have a great agent to earn second billing on a film in which he appears for about ten seconds without uttering a word.

The story turns were enjoyable. While I knew that John Bodega had a big role in the new films, I was convinced Poe was going to be the Han to Finn’s Luke, so it was surprising when Poe went AWOL early on. Even though I was only half convinced of his death, I still liked how his absence changed the path of the story and the roles of the characters. Similarly, Lor San Tekka looked to be the new Obi-Wan Kenobi, so his early exit - while not exactly shocking - kept me on my toes. I’d have expected him to be killed in the final act’s big lightsaber battle, à la Star Wars. And it wasn’t until the final act that I realised why. There was an even bigger old character to kill off.

I was aware that Han was killed off in the sequel trilogy - I’d read that Harrison Ford had cheered the idea, glad to say goodbye to the character. What I wasn’t expecting was for it to be in the first of the three films. Part of me still wonders if it will be undone - after all, he did survive being frozen in carbonite for some time. But either way, it was a nice moment for the film, even though when I saw that walkway over the pit it seemed obvious one or the other would perish after a big confrontation. And even though the writing tried to make it a complete surprise, I’m afraid Adam Driver’s dramatic pauses were a complete “tell” about the twist the story was the story was about to take. I hope he doesn’t play poker for money.

In terms of health and safety, these people never seem to learn. As soon as that dangerous walkway appeared I could hear Brenda From Bristol:

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In many ways it’s exactly the film one would expect from a belated Star Wars sequel (we’re now more than three decades on from Return Of The Jedi). It essentially tells exactly same story all over again with a new generation of characters walking in the footsteps of the earlier generation, who themselves return as the series elders with experience behind their world-weary eyes (even if it hasn’t necessarily made them wiser). It’s an entirely (almost clinically) predictable exercise in pleasing old fans while enticing in new ones.

Pretty much this. When TFA was released, a surprising number of people expressed the opinion to me that the film was derivative, like it was some profound observation. The movie is blatantly obvious in its intentions. What I found interesting is TFA is a sequel, a remake and a reboot all at the same time. I can't think of any film previously that served that triple function, but 2015 gave us three of them. (The other two being CREED and VACATION.)

I liked TFA. Sure its repetitive -- and I certainly could have done without another "Death Star" -- but it captures some of the spirit of the first trilogy, while positioning itself for a new generation. I had only one nagging gripe, which I will hold off on until you're further along.
 

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What I found interesting is TFA is a sequel, a remake and a reboot all at the same time.

Absolutely spot on. And while it is indeed derivative I have to give the film credit for also being entertaining in addition to satisfying all these requirements. It could have been terrible.



I liked TFA. Sure its repetitive -- and I certainly could have done without another "Death Star" -- but it captures some of the spirit of the first trilogy, while positioning itself for a new generation.

Same here. I felt the tone was exactly right, fitting in with the retro feel of the original while being just a bit slicker. The first two thirds of the film in particular held my attention in a way that most haven't. It probably helps that I understand the universe a bit better now than I did when I watched the original trilogy.



I had only one nagging gripe, which I will hold off on until you're further along.

As always, I'm intrigued. I have only two films left in the Skywalker Saga, so I hope I won't have to wait too long.
 

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I found A NEW HOPE and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK quite majestic in their way. The Ewoks entry was a little silly -- but when isn't the Third Act not a disappointment?

Of the prequel trilogy, I only liked SITH (although the young lead actor was a bit weak).

I've avoided any of the rest of them.
 

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Out of interest, where do the original and sequel trilogies fit in with you? Any favourites among them?
That's a tricky question, and having given this some thought, I don't have an answer. I love plenty of things about each movie. I know many fans were not happy with the latest trilogy, but there was so much to enjoy for me. I guess I found it much easier to single out my favourite and least favourite, but I struggle to put all the rest in some order.




Are you planning on watching THE CLONE WARS? I am not a fan of animation, so it took me a while to try it out, and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the whole series. I watched all the other animated series but didn't enjoy them the same way I did with this. Also, what about ROGUE ONE, SOLO and the new movie OBI-WAN KENOBI?

I enjoyed both ROGUE ONE and SOLO, and I'm looking forward to OBI-WAN KENOBI when it's released.
 

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I know many fans were not happy with the latest trilogy, but there was so much to enjoy for me.

I really like what I've seen so far.


Are you planning on watching THE CLONE WARS?
Also, what about ROGUE ONE, SOLO and the new movie OBI-WAN KENOBI?

Well, I have all the Star Wars anthology films lined up to watch, and I even have the Ewoks films ready to go.

I had a problem with the younger recasts in the middle trilogy, especially Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan, so I'm not looking forward to his new series. I also feel a bit cautious about Solo on that basis. But I'm a completist, so I hope to watch them, but that's dependent on something...

My free Disney+ offer expires in a few weeks and I'm minded not to continue since I've achieved the aim of watching all I can of the MCU. I'll complete the nine main Star Wars films, but other than that, I'll be focussing on watching as much as I can of the Marvel Knights series such as Daredevil and Jessica Jones, before the clock strikes midnight and my subscription turns into a pumpkin.
 

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I even have the Ewoks films ready to go.
I've never had any interest in this one. :eek:

I also feel a bit cautious about Solo on that basis.
I wanted to watch ROGUE ONE because it was part of the story, but I was never interested in a film about one character, and to my surprise, it turned out to be a big hit for me.

My free Disney+ offer expires in a few weeks
Ooooh, so much pressure. Well, I hope you get to see as much as you can while enjoying it simultaneously. It doesn't seem worth paying for the subscription when you've achieved so much during the trial run.


And you've kept me entertained with your insightful reviews throughout your journey.
 

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I've never had any interest in this one. :eek:

I'd hope there'd be enough Eighties-ness to make it worth a visit.



I wanted to watch ROGUE ONE because it was part of the story, but I was never interested in a film about one character, and to my surprise, it turned out to be a big hit for me.

I love when that happens. It's the best kind of film experience when a film's so much better than expected.



Ooooh, so much pressure.

I'm really feeling it at the moment. I'm kind of wishing I'd planned it a bit better and squeezed in a bit more here and there, but the Defenders series all becoming available really threw a spanner in the works.


It doesn't seem worth paying for the subscription when you've achieved so much during the trial run.

On paper it makes sense for me to leave it and perhaps subscribe later in the year or next year when there's more new material to watch. If it were just films, it would be a no-brainer to do that - especially since I can't continue the MCU films until the latest Spider-Man becomes available. But...

Because I'm in the middle of all the series and I know I won't finish them all in the next few weeks I may well end up just gritting my teeth and paying up to finish them (when I'd probably prefer to spend the money on BritBox or something).



And you've kept me entertained with your insightful reviews throughout your journey.

Oh, thanks. It's fun discussing them, and getting input from people like you who've been on the same journey at different times has made it a great one for me.
 

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I love when that happens. It's the best kind of film experience when a film's so much better than expected.
This reminds me of LOGAN/WOLVERINE. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not interested in one character's single journey, so haven't watched either of those films. I should bite the bullet and do them because I could SOLO to be a real treat.

I'm kind of wishing I'd planned it a bit better
I think you've done exceptionally well as it is right now.

On paper it makes sense for me to leave it and perhaps subscribe later i
I think that's a better option. Plus you're going to need a break, or a change in themes, I think I would have burned out much quicker than you.

when I'd probably prefer to spend the money on BritBox or something
Absolutely, variety is the spice of life - so I am told.
 

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This reminds me of LOGAN/WOLVERINE. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not interested in one character's single journey, so haven't watched either of those films. I should bite the bullet and do them because I could SOLO to be a real treat.

They're well worth a look, in my opinion. I avoided the Wolverine/Logan films until this year because I'm simply not a big fan of the character. I don't dislike him, but I've always found him a bit over-hyped both in comics and on film.

I liked all three films more than I was expecting. Looking back on it, the films got progressively better. X-Men Origins: Wolverine is probably the weakest, but I liked it enough. The third film, Logan, is the best made and is really interesting. The second film - The Wolverine - is the one that hit the spot most for me.

I'll be interested to know your views on them if you choose to watch them sometime.



I think that's a better option. Plus you're going to need a break, or a change in themes, I think I would have burned out much quicker than you.

I think you're right. It feels a bit defeatist to leave when I haven't watched all the series, but at least I can pick up when an offer comes along a little later.
 

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The Force Awakens (2015)
This is probably my favourite of all the Star Wars films for many of the reasons already discussed. Even though the focus was on the new characters, it still felt very much like a continuation of the original story and the passing of the baton on to a new generation.

I think it's always a tricky mix to keep enough elements from the previous films to keep long standing fans of the franchise on board while having enough that is new to keep them engaged and at the same time attract new fans who may not know a huge amount about what went before. I thought the got the balance just right and it was a really satisfying film on many levels.
 

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The Last Jedi (2017)

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Mixed feelings on this one. It was a passable enough film, and there were some moments of greatness but it also felt more muddled in tone than the previous instalment and less watchable overall.

Noticeably, there were attempts at broad comedy which felt clunky, obvious and out of place. It just didn’t work for me. I knew we were in trouble in this department during the early “gag” in which Poe was pretending he couldn’t hear Hux which completely vanquished any sense of threat or tension. It was like taking a fun Han Solo type moment and magnifying it from homage to pastiche. This isn’t Spaceballs, for God’s sake, but that’s how it felt. It perhaps speaks volumes that Ade Edmonson - the Ade Edmonson - was the straight man in this scene.

On that subject, Wikipedia suggests there were an awful lot of small roles, cameos and walk-ons for various celebs and high profile type people (the Dukes of Cambridge and Sussex appeared as Stormtroopers, along with Gary Barlow). I couldn’t help wondering if there was just a bit too much larking round on set, distracting from what should have been the priority of making a quality film.

I spent ages trying to work out which familiar-looking middle-aged lady was playing Vice-Admiral Holdo. It seemed obvious she was an actress who’d been known for… something decades earlier, but I couldn’t quite place her. It became distracting as I kept thinking I had it then realised I hadn’t. Along the way, I’d confused her with Annie Brackett from Halloween, the Black Market Baby girl from Dallas and even JR’s secretary Sly. Turns out she was the one from Jurassic Park (who I was convinced was Steven Spielberg’s wife in real life, but it seems I was wrong about that as well).

The most tedious new character was DJ. Benicio Del Torres was emoting like billy-o to give off Jeff Goldblum type energy, managing the impressive feat of being not only supremely annoying but also rather dull. Most unforgivable was the stammer, which seemed to be there for no other reason other than to add quirk. Because, apparently, speech impediments are fair game.

It was by no means all bad news.

Luke’s scenes were great, and I enjoyed the atmospheric scenes on the dark and moody island on which he was self-exiled. Yes - it was very obviously a rip-off of Yoda’s introductory story from Empire, but it was also a logical thing for him to pass on The Force in the same way.

Likewise, Kylo turning on Snoke felt like an ersatz version of Vader killing The Emperor in Return Of The Jedi, but this, too had its own logic and I didn’t hate it.

Daisy Ridley seemed to have less screen time, which is a good thing considering I found her a lot less likeable here than in the previous film. I really like new character Rose, who filled that gap of plucky young heroine.

It was particularly great to see Yoda and, given Luke nearing the end of his life, it made perfect sense for him to appear to Luke in this context. Those CGI bird/owl type things were cute as well.

The business-as-usual stuff helped sell the film. Threepio’s flapping about remains enjoyable. Leia, too. She seemed to have a bit more presence here than in the previous film, which is a good thing. And the dedication to her at the end brought a little lump to my throat.
 

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Mixed feelings on this one. It was a passable enough film, and there were some moments of greatness but it also felt more muddled in tone than the previous instalment and less watchable overall.

I loathed this movie. I'm not sure my vocabulary is wide enough to cover how much I hated this film. Not only the worst STAR WARS film -- by a wide margin! -- it's easily one of the five worst movies I've ever watched. I saw it twice, because I have different groups of movie going friends and I often make separate plans on the same weekend. Sitting through this movie a second time was a stupefying experience. It's almost shocking how a film of this budget could be so inept and boring. Worst of all is how it took everything that had been so interestingly (if redundantly) set up in the previous film and pissed on it all. Just thinking about all of the egregiously bad "creative" decisions made in this film irritates me to no end: how Finn was sidelined and wasted; and how Luke, one of the screen's great heroes, was soured and squandered; and the absolute disregard for continuity or even internal logic.

If I could erase one piece of pop culture from my memory, this would be it.
 
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I loathed this movie. I'm not sure my vocabulary is wide enough to cover how much I hated this film. Not only the worst STAR WARS film -- by a wide margin! -- it's easily one of the five worst movies I've ever watched.

Oh gosh. Well, I'm happy that I enjoyed it at least a little more than you did.



Worst of all is how it took everything that had been so interestingly (if redundantly) set up in the previous film and pissed on it all.

Very true. The Force Awakens was for me one of the better Star Wars viewing experiences and almost everything I enjoyed about it isn't present here.

I didn't much mind this version of Luke. To me he felt like an amalgam of Obi-Wan and Yoda. But I can understand why he could be viewed as lacking many of the qualities that made his younger self so essential to the original trilogy. And I completely agree that it was beyond wasteful to sideline Finn in the way he was.
 

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I loathed this movie.
Same here. I walked away saying out loud that was the worst movie I'd seen for some time...and that's saying something considering my love for Star Wars. There was a particular scene towards the end of the movie when Finn thinks he can take on the entire First Order. I was actually hoping he would die because I believe this is exactly what Star Wars desperately needed, along with his sidekick Rose.

When I look back on the sequel trilogy; The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker I see them as a wasted opportunity. People wished to see the continuing saga of Luke, Leia and Hans. I cannot remember the name of the guy but he speaks at length on YouTube about Disney and how the new team screwed up the Star Wars saga. Instead of focusing the story on those 3 characters they were more or less pushed to the background to make way for the new characters to shine brightly. His argument was no one cared about them as this was about Luke, Leia, Hans, Chewbacca, C-3PO and R2-D2. His point was the main players were separated in this trilogy and unfortunately we will never be able to recapture that magic due to the sudden passing of Carrie Fisher...and I see his point.
 

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I see them as a wasted opportunity. People wished to see the continuing saga of Luke, Leia and Hans. I cannot remember the name of the guy but he speaks at length on YouTube about Disney and how the new team screwed up the Star Wars saga. Instead of focusing the story on those 3 characters they were more or less pushed to the background

I partially agree with this. Disney didn't pay billions for LucasFilms to make nostalgia bait starring 60-something year old actors; for STAR WARS to continue, it has to be passed to a new generation. I thought TFA did a decent enough job of introducing new characters; I liked Finn and thought Rey and Kylo at least had potential.

To me, the wasted opportunity was not uniting Han, Luke and Leia on a final, grand adventure while simultaneously introducing new blood. It was one shot chance, and Disney blew it. Not putting the original characters back together is surely one of the dumbest decisions in cinematic history.
 

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To me, the wasted opportunity was not uniting Han, Luke and Leia on a final, grand adventure while simultaneously introducing new blood. It was one shot chance, and Disney blew it. Not putting the original characters back together is surely one of the dumbest decisions in cinematic history.

But when inferior creators miss the boat, they miss the boat (or star ship, or miliennium falcon, or whatever) totally... TNT's nuDALLAS certainly proved that there is no entity so iconic that its reboot/sequel/continuation can't be handed off to some energetic hack producer who neither knows nor cares anything about the original who then shats upon it with great earnestness before moving on to the next job.

Seems STAR WARS is not immune. Everybody blames whatshername, and she seems the cow, but it's always more fun to blame the nearest woman.

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