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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 37850" data-attributes="member: 35">This entire post can be summed up in one sentence:&nbsp; Russia elected Trump.&nbsp; And as per usual, I&#039;m going to counter by saying that is a misleading statement perpetrated by the media and the Democratic Party.&nbsp; Over 50% of Democrats believe Russia tampered with the election votes as opposed to hacking into emails from the DNC and John Podesta.&nbsp; That was obviously the goal, so mission accomplished.There has been no evidence found that Russia or anybody altered votes.&nbsp; As much as you and establishment Democrats keep saying that Russia handed the election to Trump, it&#039;s simply not true.&nbsp; Unless, of course, it&#039;s because people were rightly pissed off to learn that the DNC was conspiring against Bernie Sanders.&nbsp; But Democrats like you don&#039;t care what was done to him, you only care that Russia made it public.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;ve always said Hillary stands on political expediency rather than principle, and then it came out that she admitted to having both a public and private stance on the issues.&nbsp; I don&#039;t condone a foreign government hacking and releasing private emails, but I&#039;m also not going to pretend I&#039;m disappointed to get that kind of transparency.&nbsp; We should have it anyway, and from the RNC too. And until we stop bombing countries around the world, inserting ourselves in foreign affairs, and advocating election tampering (like Hillary Clinton did in 2006), we really can&#039;t take the moral high ground here.Express whatever opinion you want, but don&#039;t turn around and get on me for expressing mine.&nbsp; You both complain about my Hillary and Democratic establishment posts when your&#039;s are just as one sided, if not more so.&nbsp; Even though I do criticize Hillary and the Democratic Party a lot, I also criticize Trump and the Republicans.&nbsp; At the same time, if either side comes out in favor of policies I agree with, I give them credit for that too.Two flawed candidates ran against each other, and one of them had to win.&nbsp; Would you like being lumped in with the Hillary supporters that protest by destroying property?&nbsp; Because they&#039;re deplorable too.&nbsp; Both sides have their good and bad supporters.&nbsp; When I point out that Trump took a stronger stance against TPP and campaigned harder to protect Social Security and Medicare, it&#039;s to show why decent people voted for him too. Because policy positions resonate just as much, if not more so than depraved rhetoric.&nbsp; When you favor TPP, yet are dismissive of universal health care and an entire generation of millennials, you begin loosing ground.I can see that.&nbsp; Yet you accuse me of having no grey in my world.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 37850, member: 35"] This entire post can be summed up in one sentence: Russia elected Trump. And as per usual, I'm going to counter by saying that is a misleading statement perpetrated by the media and the Democratic Party. Over 50% of Democrats believe Russia tampered with the election votes as opposed to hacking into emails from the DNC and John Podesta. That was obviously the goal, so mission accomplished. There has been no evidence found that Russia or anybody altered votes. As much as you and establishment Democrats keep saying that Russia handed the election to Trump, it's simply not true. Unless, of course, it's because people were rightly pissed off to learn that the DNC was conspiring against Bernie Sanders. But Democrats like you don't care what was done to him, you only care that Russia made it public. I've always said Hillary stands on political expediency rather than principle, and then it came out that she admitted to having both a public and private stance on the issues. I don't condone a foreign government hacking and releasing private emails, but I'm also not going to pretend I'm disappointed to get that kind of transparency. We should have it anyway, and from the RNC too. And until we stop bombing countries around the world, inserting ourselves in foreign affairs, and advocating election tampering (like Hillary Clinton did in 2006), we really can't take the moral high ground here. Express whatever opinion you want, but don't turn around and get on me for expressing mine. You both complain about my Hillary and Democratic establishment posts when your's are just as one sided, if not more so. Even though I do criticize Hillary and the Democratic Party a lot, I also criticize Trump and the Republicans. At the same time, if either side comes out in favor of policies I agree with, I give them credit for that too. Two flawed candidates ran against each other, and one of them had to win. Would you like being lumped in with the Hillary supporters that protest by destroying property? Because they're deplorable too. Both sides have their good and bad supporters. When I point out that Trump took a stronger stance against TPP and campaigned harder to protect Social Security and Medicare, it's to show why decent people voted for him too. Because policy positions resonate just as much, if not more so than depraved rhetoric. When you favor TPP, yet are dismissive of universal health care and an entire generation of millennials, you begin loosing ground. I can see that. Yet you accuse [I]me [/I]of having no grey in my world. [/QUOTE]

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