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<blockquote data-quote="Karin Schill" data-source="post: 148683"><p>I agree that Abby & Gary's affair was a catalyst for a lot of plot possibilities on <em>Knots Landing</em> and a part of what made the show run for so long. Being with Abby did develop Gary's character. Like I remember a scene where they are playing around in Dallas and JR shows up...</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14572[/ATTACH]</p><p>They are not happy to see him of course. Then towards the end of the scene JR tells them:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14573[/ATTACH]</p><p>"You know Abby I think you've done this boy a world of good. He's got some guts. Oh I wish my daddy had lived to see this day. Gary with guts!"</p><p></p><p>I think this quote perfectly sums up how Abby has changed Gary. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Even JR can see it and he likes what he sees.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14574[/ATTACH]</p><p>I just realized that this publicity still must be from that scene...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is a great point. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>I love the relationship that developed between Abby's kids and Gary. Like he told Olivia when his marriage to Abby was coming close to an end, she was the only daughter that he'd gotten to raise. Obviously that was a reference to Lucy which he had not been able to raise and also Betsy who Val was keeping from him at that point. But yes like Abby pointed out "my kids thinks of you as their father".</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14575[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>It is ironic but for years Gary was more of a father to Olivia and Brian than he ever was to Lucy. Later on of course he got to be a father to Bobby and Betsy but at that point he'd already had lots of experience being a parent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ben definitely was brought on to the show to be a love match for Valene. Yet Abby was already on the show prior to that so the character was not just meant for Gary. That was something which was developed because the actors suggested it to David Jacobs as [USER=46]@Mustard[/USER] pointed out above. I think it does make sense that Gary had an affair with Abby considering that it was in his nature to have affairs. I mean he'd already cheated on Val with Judy Trent and only God knows why?! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" /></p><p></p><p>Yet I agree that Abby and Gary and also Ben & Val were great matches and I am sure if there had been "shippers" and Internet back in the 1980s it's possible that there would have been people who were Team Abby or Team Ben or there might have been "shipper wars". I know those things are so silly but I've seen it happen on other fandoms. <img src="http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/rolleye/rolleye0010.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":re:" title="RE :re:" data-shortname=":re:" /></p><p>My point being that yes if Gary and Valene were not together their best alternative matches were definitely Abby and Ben and I am sure there were some fans who preferred those matches to Valene & Gary.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I liked Cathy too but not together with Gary. I much preferred her with Joshua. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Then as for Parker. Yikes he was definitely not a serious love interest. <img src="http://www.hazelnet.org/icon/emote/yikes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eck:" title="eck :eck:" data-shortname=":eck:" />He was just an obstacle that was put in the way of Gary reaching Valene when she thought she was Verna. But I admit that Parker trying to marry Valene/Verna was great drama and I love how Gary was determined to reach Valene and bring her back home to California with him. I think it's moments like those that shows us how Gary and Valene were meant to be together even when they were apart. Also how bittersweet wasn't that scene after he'd managed to reach her when they are talking and she can't remember they are divorced and asks him if they have always loved each other?</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14578[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14576[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]14577[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Again the expressions on their faces says everything! <img src="https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/shappy_clap_100-101.gif?w=150&h=133" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":clap:" title="Clap :clap:" data-shortname=":clap:" /></p><p>So yes great acting and great drama.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Karin Schill, post: 148683"] I agree that Abby & Gary's affair was a catalyst for a lot of plot possibilities on [I]Knots Landing[/I] and a part of what made the show run for so long. Being with Abby did develop Gary's character. Like I remember a scene where they are playing around in Dallas and JR shows up... [ATTACH=full]14572[/ATTACH] They are not happy to see him of course. Then towards the end of the scene JR tells them: [ATTACH=full]14573[/ATTACH] "You know Abby I think you've done this boy a world of good. He's got some guts. Oh I wish my daddy had lived to see this day. Gary with guts!" I think this quote perfectly sums up how Abby has changed Gary. :) Even JR can see it and he likes what he sees. [ATTACH=full]14574[/ATTACH] I just realized that this publicity still must be from that scene... That is a great point. :) I love the relationship that developed between Abby's kids and Gary. Like he told Olivia when his marriage to Abby was coming close to an end, she was the only daughter that he'd gotten to raise. Obviously that was a reference to Lucy which he had not been able to raise and also Betsy who Val was keeping from him at that point. But yes like Abby pointed out "my kids thinks of you as their father". [ATTACH=full]14575[/ATTACH] It is ironic but for years Gary was more of a father to Olivia and Brian than he ever was to Lucy. Later on of course he got to be a father to Bobby and Betsy but at that point he'd already had lots of experience being a parent. Ben definitely was brought on to the show to be a love match for Valene. Yet Abby was already on the show prior to that so the character was not just meant for Gary. That was something which was developed because the actors suggested it to David Jacobs as [USER=46]@Mustard[/USER] pointed out above. I think it does make sense that Gary had an affair with Abby considering that it was in his nature to have affairs. I mean he'd already cheated on Val with Judy Trent and only God knows why?! :eek: Yet I agree that Abby and Gary and also Ben & Val were great matches and I am sure if there had been "shippers" and Internet back in the 1980s it's possible that there would have been people who were Team Abby or Team Ben or there might have been "shipper wars". I know those things are so silly but I've seen it happen on other fandoms. :re: My point being that yes if Gary and Valene were not together their best alternative matches were definitely Abby and Ben and I am sure there were some fans who preferred those matches to Valene & Gary. I liked Cathy too but not together with Gary. I much preferred her with Joshua. ;) Then as for Parker. Yikes he was definitely not a serious love interest. :eck:He was just an obstacle that was put in the way of Gary reaching Valene when she thought she was Verna. But I admit that Parker trying to marry Valene/Verna was great drama and I love how Gary was determined to reach Valene and bring her back home to California with him. I think it's moments like those that shows us how Gary and Valene were meant to be together even when they were apart. Also how bittersweet wasn't that scene after he'd managed to reach her when they are talking and she can't remember they are divorced and asks him if they have always loved each other? [ATTACH=full]14578[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]14576[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]14577[/ATTACH] Again the expressions on their faces says everything! :clap: So yes great acting and great drama. [/QUOTE]
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