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<blockquote data-quote="Mustard" data-source="post: 149073" data-attributes="member: 46"><p>Karen used the expression, and Val herself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like to think that both Miss Ellie and Lucy visited a few times off screen. The best time for Barbara to make an appearance would have been after Bobby's death, but she had only just returned to Dallas at the time with Donna Reed suing Dallas too, so politically it would have been even more difficult than normal at that time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lucy and Lilimae would have got on great. They'd have been very close and mischievious with their sense of humours, and they would have wound Val up.</p><p></p><p>It's a shame about the severed connection after Bobby's death, but I don't see how they had much choice really.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, something like that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, spot on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And then they could deal with a lot of those insecurities that they had before.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It was the worst moment of Val's life at the time, that moment when Lilimae turned her and Lucy away and then J.R.'s heavies ripped Lucy out of Val's hands. It's a mother's worst nightmare, and she resented Lilimae for it, and understandably so. Val was also close as a young girl to her middle aged father Jeremiah, while young Lilimae was always out seeking singing stardom. Jeremiah was already dead by the time of her first marriage to Gary, as they were a poor family, so that would be another regret for Val.</p><p></p><p>For Val, I'd say the later stealing of the twins was an even greater trauma. At least with Lucy, Val knew the score despite how brutal it was. With the twins, there were terrible answered questions and doubts about her own sanity as nobody believed her.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lilimae has a good heart. I loved her relationship with Chip, even though we the viewers know it's based on a lie. They had a very good connection.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Val lied that Gary tried to commit suicide in order to get him sectioned. She did what she needed to do then, but she had been despairing during that whole period as Gary fell apart, from when he had that "I won't be talked down to in my own house" rant. Abby would have probably said "Get the hell out of here", but Val is like "Gary, please let me or them help you". Abby would probably try to get through to Gary later, like when he was getting drunk when hanging out with Ciji, but Abby's tolerance threshold wasn't very high.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Abby loved Gary. But as she once told Greg, she loved business and money more than she loved any man. If Abby doesn't think Gary is fully up to the task of looking after their business, she isn't going to take the chance of him messing it up and her losing control in the process. She's going to let Gary think he's got a certain control while she hopes that he can handle the situation and prove her worst fears about him wrong, but she's ready if he does mess up. Again, this builds up Gary's character. Gary himself over time got to learn what Abby was all about, how she wasn't really to be trusted like how he could trust Val. Gary eventually realized that Abby wasn't for him long term, but his relationship and marriage to Abby did a lot for him as a person, as well as looking after Olivia and Brian.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, he does. Val makes Gary feel completely safe and secure like nobody else can. As Abby once lamented "Whenever Gary is feeling a bit insecure, off he goes running to Valene".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A brilliant quote, and the very start of Jill's decline into her own madness. She never did become the third Mrs. Ewing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Jill was largely very likeable before that scene, but she really lost her way afterwards when she saw that what Abby had said was very true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I love that scene at the beach when Val says something like "Gary, what kind of mess have we made of our lives here"? Even then, in that conversation, it was like "We should be together, so why aren't we?".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's when Bobby came over and tried to knock some sense into Gary. Bobby is like "Get in there and support your wife", while Gary's instinct is "I love her. What am I going to do without her? I need to get away from here. I can't deal with it". Gary's whole instinct at that time was to run away from his fear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustard, post: 149073, member: 46"] Karen used the expression, and Val herself. :) I like to think that both Miss Ellie and Lucy visited a few times off screen. The best time for Barbara to make an appearance would have been after Bobby's death, but she had only just returned to Dallas at the time with Donna Reed suing Dallas too, so politically it would have been even more difficult than normal at that time. Lucy and Lilimae would have got on great. They'd have been very close and mischievious with their sense of humours, and they would have wound Val up. It's a shame about the severed connection after Bobby's death, but I don't see how they had much choice really. Yes, something like that. Yes, spot on. And then they could deal with a lot of those insecurities that they had before. It was the worst moment of Val's life at the time, that moment when Lilimae turned her and Lucy away and then J.R.'s heavies ripped Lucy out of Val's hands. It's a mother's worst nightmare, and she resented Lilimae for it, and understandably so. Val was also close as a young girl to her middle aged father Jeremiah, while young Lilimae was always out seeking singing stardom. Jeremiah was already dead by the time of her first marriage to Gary, as they were a poor family, so that would be another regret for Val. For Val, I'd say the later stealing of the twins was an even greater trauma. At least with Lucy, Val knew the score despite how brutal it was. With the twins, there were terrible answered questions and doubts about her own sanity as nobody believed her. Lilimae has a good heart. I loved her relationship with Chip, even though we the viewers know it's based on a lie. They had a very good connection. Val lied that Gary tried to commit suicide in order to get him sectioned. She did what she needed to do then, but she had been despairing during that whole period as Gary fell apart, from when he had that "I won't be talked down to in my own house" rant. Abby would have probably said "Get the hell out of here", but Val is like "Gary, please let me or them help you". Abby would probably try to get through to Gary later, like when he was getting drunk when hanging out with Ciji, but Abby's tolerance threshold wasn't very high. Abby loved Gary. But as she once told Greg, she loved business and money more than she loved any man. If Abby doesn't think Gary is fully up to the task of looking after their business, she isn't going to take the chance of him messing it up and her losing control in the process. She's going to let Gary think he's got a certain control while she hopes that he can handle the situation and prove her worst fears about him wrong, but she's ready if he does mess up. Again, this builds up Gary's character. Gary himself over time got to learn what Abby was all about, how she wasn't really to be trusted like how he could trust Val. Gary eventually realized that Abby wasn't for him long term, but his relationship and marriage to Abby did a lot for him as a person, as well as looking after Olivia and Brian. Yes, he does. Val makes Gary feel completely safe and secure like nobody else can. As Abby once lamented "Whenever Gary is feeling a bit insecure, off he goes running to Valene". Agreed. A brilliant quote, and the very start of Jill's decline into her own madness. She never did become the third Mrs. Ewing. Yes. Jill was largely very likeable before that scene, but she really lost her way afterwards when she saw that what Abby had said was very true. I love that scene at the beach when Val says something like "Gary, what kind of mess have we made of our lives here"? Even then, in that conversation, it was like "We should be together, so why aren't we?". That's when Bobby came over and tried to knock some sense into Gary. Bobby is like "Get in there and support your wife", while Gary's instinct is "I love her. What am I going to do without her? I need to get away from here. I can't deal with it". Gary's whole instinct at that time was to run away from his fear. That's it :) [/QUOTE]
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