GOP's new health plan would elimniate coverage for 24 million people

[Snarky Oracle!]

...over the next ten years. And it would eliminate it for 14 million by 2018.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/behind-t...s-obamacare-replacement-report-184603210.html

 

[SueEllenRules!]

...over the next ten years. And it would eliminate it for 14 million by 2018.

So basically everybody? Or undoubtedly those who need it worst.

 

[Frank Underwood]

"While taking healthcare away from more than twenty million Americans, slashing Medicaid, defunding Planned Parenthood, and raising health care costs for older Americans, the Republican health care plan does help one group of people, insurance company executives who make more than $500,000 a year. The Republican bill gives them a tax break allowing companies to make their salaries tax deductible. To put it simply health care companies will be able to pay less taxes, by paying their CEO’s more.

The Republican health care plan, less health care for you, bigger salaries for health care CEOs. Republican priorities!" - Bernie Sanders

 

[Gabriel Maxwell]

What an utter mess.

Tom Price lying through his teeth in front of the White House saying the CBO report is wrong and their plan would cover more Americans.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hhs-secretary-tom-price-we-disagree-strenuously-with-cbo-report/

Meanwhile, POLITICO says a leaked internal report from the White House itself forecasts even bleaker prospects - 26 million losing insurance, bringing the total number of the uninsured to 54 million by 2026.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019

At the same time, some among the GOP are getting anxious about what this means for their prospects in 2018, while the extremists say the proposed plan doesn't go far enough and they call it Obamacare Lite:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...against-gops-aca-bill/?utm_term=.4554ec8c8f79

In fact, extremist right wing media like Breitbart have already started anti-Ryan campaign:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...efend-donald-trump-not-now-not-in-the-future/

After 7 years of yapping about repealing and replacing Obamacare giving them all the time in the world to come up with a superior plan, and after getting hold of the White House, the Congress and the Senate, thus being able do anything they want -- look at the sad spectacle unfolding.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Sarah Palin has come out of the wood work to denounce the Republican health care plan. She referred to it as "government controlled health care" and "socialism," even though it benefits private insurance companies.

God, what an idiot. She also said that whatever applies to the public should also apply to Congress. I personally agree, considering Congress has actual government controlled health care.

It reminds me of the cretins who equate being able to afford health insurance with being able to afford an iPhone. Access to health care should never be dependent on a person's income.

 

[Angela Channing]

I hope when those deluded Trump supporters in 24 million that are going to be denied coverage get sick they remember that's what they voted for. Trump made it clear that he was going to abolish Obamacare and replace it with a cheaper system and the only way it was going to be cheaper was by covering fewer people.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I hope when those deluded Trump supporters in 24 million that are going to be denied coverage get sick they remember that's what they voted for.

And they will not. Their egos and self-image are too closely tied to their 2016 vote. They'd willingly die for Trump, and just might.

 

[Gabriel Maxwell]

I hope when those deluded Trump supporters in 24 million that are going to be denied coverage get sick they remember that's what they voted for. Trump made it clear that he was going to abolish Obamacare and replace it with a cheaper system and the only way it was going to be cheaper was by covering fewer people.

According to an analysis in the Washington Post, most of the 35 counties that may lose the most under the new GOP plan voted for Trump, whereas most of the 25 counties that voted for someone other than Trump may actually benefit from it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...its-most-loyal-voters/?utm_term=.e539d0b0aefe

 

[Frank Underwood]

I hope when those deluded Trump supporters in 24 million that are going to be denied coverage get sick they remember that's what they voted for. Trump made it clear that he was going to abolish Obamacare and replace it with a cheaper system and the only way it was going to be cheaper was by covering fewer people.

Trump also said that everybody would be covered under his replacement plan. I blame the bullshitter, not the people who desperately wanted to believe him.

If anybody's been paying attention to the town halls with Bernie Sanders, you'll see that many Trump voters agree with Bernie's stance on certain issues such as health care. That's why I don't paint all Trump supporters with the same broad brush. Many of them had been hurt by the establishment of both parties, so they went with the outsider who promised to end TPP, protect their entitlements, and provide them with health care.

Many of them are starting to see what's actually happening, and are becoming just as upset about it as the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155730401082908

Obama and the Democrats could have at least implemented the public option at the beginning of Obama's Presidency, but they didn't. Obama even used the same right wing talking point that poor people need to budget better in order to afford health insurance. This is why the Democrats are wiped out. Of course Trump's plan is far worse, but the Democrats still favor private insurance companies while wagging their finger at poor people.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

But they couldn't get Obamacare passed with the public option.

Many of them are starting to see what's actually happening, and are becoming just as upset about it as the rest of us.

Not many. Not yet.

There's desperate and then there's smug and stupid. And too many of them are all three. So far, there's little sign that very many Trump supporters really realize what he's in the active process of doing to them. The vast majority of them do not yet regret their foolish vote, and their giddy delight at the upset Trump's policies are creating reveal they have little grasp of anything that's actually happening.

Some will eventually figure it out. Many will be incapable ego-wise of processing their error. At the very most, many of them may later grumble "well, at least he wasn't as bad as Obummmer!" and that will be the extent of their thought process.

 

[Frank Underwood]

But they couldn't get Obamacare passed with the public option.

Even during the brief period when they controlled Congress and had a filibuster proof Senate?

Not many. Not yet.

There's desperate and then there's smug and stupid. And too many of them are all three. So far, there's little sign that very many Trump supporters really realize what he's in the active process of doing to them. The vast majority of them do not yet regret their foolish vote, and their giddy delight at the upset Trump's policies are creating reveal they have little grasp of anything that's actually happening.

Some will eventually figure it out. Many will be incapable ego-wise of processing their error. At the very most, many of them may later grumble "well, at least he wasn't as bad as Obummmer!" and that will be the extent of their thought process.

Yes, these types of Trump supporters exist. Facebook is littered with their ignorant comments. My concern is not with them, but those who were hoping for change and didn't get it.

The fact that there are rural coal miners in favor of universal health care is a pleasant surprise to me. We just need more people like Bernie Sanders to undo the brainwashing performed by Fox News.

 

[SueEllenRules!]

Trump also said that everybody would be covered under his replacement plan. I blame the bullshitter, not the people who desperately wanted to believe him.

Trump's blatant malice was plain as day. I blame anyone who had perfectly good eyes and ears and voted for him anyway.

If anybody's been paying attention to the town halls with Bernie Sanders, you'll see that many Trump voters agree with Bernie's stance on certain issues such as health care. That's why I don't paint all Trump supporters with the same broad brush. Many of them had been hurt by the establishment of both parties, so they went with the outsider who promised to end TPP, protect their entitlements, and provide them with health care.

According to the Bible, the antichrist will come to power essentially the same way.

Even during the brief period when they controlled Congress and had a filibuster proof Senate?

You mean the 10 minutes in 2009?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

No, it was nearly two years. But there were too many Democrats against the public option, too, for political reasons.

 

[SueEllenRules!]

No, it was nearly two years. But there were too many Democrats against the public option, too, for political reasons.

True, but regardless, the Democrats didn't have a filibuster-proof Senate for the majority of the 111th Congress due to the 6-month challenge by Norm Coleman for the seat that finally went to Al Franken and the death of Ted Kennedy, who was eventually replaced by Scott Brown. So that filibuster-proof period amounted to a total of ~6 noncontinuous months, the longest of which was from September 25, 2009 to February 4, 2010.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Trump's blatant malice was plain as day. I blame anyone who had perfectly good eyes and ears and voted for him anyway.

It was clear to me what Trump was up to as well. But we're talking about people with little education who are either out of work or stuck in low paying jobs. They look to the Dems who supported NAFTA and the TPP. They struggle to afford their insurance premiums, and hear Hillary say all she wants to do is make a few tweaks to Obamacare. Then they listen to Trump, who promises to end TPP and prevent jobs from being sent overseas (which he actually did). He also promises to protect their entitlements and even goes as far as to say everybody will be covered under his health care plan. Who do you think is going to come off more appealing to them?

According to the Bible, the antichrist will come to power essentially the same way.

Trump's a faux populist who came to power by promising things people wanted, and then didn't deliver on all of it. Dems had a chance to run a genuine populist against him, but they didn't want any part of that.

You mean the 10 minutes in 2009?

Had Republicans been in control and wanted to push a piece of legislation through, they would have done so.

Hillary ended up supporting the public option once the primaries were over. But Dems would have had an easier time getting it passed in 2009 than in 2017 with Republicans in control of the house and senate.

No, it was nearly two years. But there were too many Democrats against the public option, too, for political reasons.

Because the corporate wing of the Democratic Party is afraid to govern from the left. They have to be pushed there, as shown by Hillary's revised agenda and Cory Booker's change of heart on Canadian prescription drugs.

 

[SueEllenRules!]

It was clear to me what Trump was up to as well. But we're talking about people with little education who are either out of work or stuck in low paying jobs. They look to the Dems who supported NAFTA and the TPP. They struggle to afford their insurance premiums, and hear Hillary say all she wants to do is make a few tweaks to Obamacare. Then they listen to Trump, who promises to end TPP and prevent jobs from being sent overseas (which he actually did). He also promises to protect their entitlements and even goes as far as to say everybody will be covered under his health care plan. Who do you think is going to come off more appealing to them?

My mother and my brother only have a high school education and struggle to keep body and soul together. Yet, neither would ever vote Republican in a million years and certainly not for Trump. There's simply no excuse for blithering idiocy.

Trump's a faux populist who came to power by promising things people wanted, and then didn't deliver on all of it. Dems had a chance to run a genuine populist against him, but they didn't want any part of that.

So failing to make Bernie the Democratic nominee justifies voting for the antichrist?

Had Republicans been in control and wanted to push a piece of legislation through, they would have done so.

The Affordable Care Act was hardly "a piece of legislation," although I do agree that one of the Democrats' downfalls has always been their unwillingness to behave in the same thuggish manner as the Republicans.

Hillary ended up supporting the public option once the primaries were over. But Dems would have had an easier time getting it passed in 2009 than in 2017 with Republicans in control of the house and senate.

Yes, and risked an outcome even worse than what ended up happening in the 2010 midterm elections anyway: loss of 6 seats in the Senate and 63 seats and control of the House.

Because the corporate wing of the Democratic Party is afraid to govern from the left. They have to be pushed there, as shown by Hillary's revised agenda and Cory Booker's change of heart on Canadian prescription drugs.

They probably have a better memory of what happened to Congressional Democrats in the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections. You can't govern from left, right, or center when you're voted out of office.

 

[Frank Underwood]

My mother and my brother only have a high school education and struggle to keep body and soul together. Yet, neither would ever vote Republican in a million years and certainly not for Trump. There's simply no excuse for blithering idiocy.

I still have to question how smart it is to run a campaign based on empty platitudes, failed policies, and neglecting the three swing states needed to win.

So failing to make Bernie the Democratic nominee justifies voting for the antichrist?

It's a matter of offering the people what they want. There are people who will vote for a vile piece of crap as long as he also promises to better their life.

Once Hillary adopted some of Bernie's policies at the convention, she could have campaigned hard on them. She could have went to the rust belt and said her previous support of TPP was a mistake. She lost the electoral college by a little over 77,000 votes, but I believe she could have won them over if she fought harder for the policies they care about. Building a campaign around how awful Trump is wasn't going to cut it.

The Affordable Care Act was hardly "a piece of legislation," although I do agree that one of the Democrats' downfalls has always been their unwillingness to behave in the same thuggish manner as the Republicans.

It's not thuggish if you have the votes. The Affordable Care Act had previously been the Republican plan supported by Nixon and Mitt Romney. That's what compromising with Republicans looks like.

But are Republicans ever willing to compromise with Democrats? Considering 24 million people are about to be without health care coverage, I'm going to say no.

Yes, and risked an outcome even worse than what ended up happening in the 2010 midterm elections anyway: loss of 6 seats in the Senate and 63 seats and control of the House.

They probably have a better memory of what happened to Congressional Democrats in the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections. You can't govern from left, right, or center when you're voted out of office.

If leftist policies are so unpopular, why did Hillary end up adopting some of Bernie's proposals? Why did Cory Booker move to the left on the importation of Canadian prescription drugs?

Is it possible that millions of uninsured Americans and many more who struggled to afford their premiums are why Congressional Democrats lost?