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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 158432" data-attributes="member: 35">Yes, and for the 1994 crime bill.&nbsp; In fact, my biggest criticism of Bernie Sanders is that he voted for the 1994 crime bill because he supported the violence against women act.&nbsp; Of course, Biden also supported the Iraq War, said he has no empathy for millennials, and is a corporatist neoliberal.&nbsp; I used to think he was a decent guy, but he&#039;s actually quite an authoritarian.I&#039;m not remotely a feminist, an SJW, or a conservative.&nbsp; I also stand by my previous posts.&nbsp; The #metoo movement has often been greatly overreaching in its desire to bring down men at any cost. And yes, the movement has also pushed that women are to be believed no matter what.&nbsp; However, I still fail to see how any of that applies in Biden&#039;s case.&nbsp; Is there no ill intent on his part?&nbsp; Maybe.&nbsp; But that&#039;s just as speculative as assuming women don&#039;t really feel uncomfortable being groped, kissed, and smelled by him.&nbsp; Also, parents being okay with Biden&#039;s touchy/feely behavior with their children is meaningless.&nbsp; What matters is how the child feels about it.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure some of them are fine with it, just as I&#039;m sure some women are fine with it.However, the people who are uncomfortable with it have a right to feel that way too.&nbsp; What Biden and his defenders are doing is defending his right to be overly affectionate Uncle Joe.&nbsp; His joke about &quot;getting permission&quot; to hug someone was basically his way of saying people who are uncomfortable being touched, stroked, and kissed by him need to lighten up.&nbsp; There are ways to tell if someone is receptive to a hug or a kiss without having to &quot;sign a waiver&quot; first.&nbsp; Even a hand on a shoulder isn&#039;t likely going to offend the vast majority of people.&nbsp; But hands on the chest (whether developed or not), hands on the waist, kisses on the back of the neck, face stroking, and hair smelling is not what many consider to be socially normal behavior.I don&#039;t think anybody is actually trying to &quot;bring down&quot; Biden.&nbsp; As I said before, the first woman to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriate kissing and touching said she would still vote for him over Trump.&nbsp; I personally think his arrogance and policy positions make him a poor choice to run against Trump, but I doubt he&#039;ll get the nomination anyway.&nbsp; Also, I think it&#039;s okay to publicly express why everybody isn&#039;t okay with Biden&#039;s brand of affection.&nbsp; The only problem I do see is people (including Biden) mocking and ridiculing those who are uncomfortable by it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 158432, member: 35"] Yes, and for the 1994 crime bill. In fact, my biggest criticism of Bernie Sanders is that he voted for the 1994 crime bill [I]because [/I]he supported the violence against women act. Of course, Biden also supported the Iraq War, said he has no empathy for millennials, and is a corporatist neoliberal. I used to think he was a decent guy, but he's actually quite an authoritarian. I'm not remotely a feminist, an SJW, or a conservative. I also stand by my previous posts. The #metoo movement has often been greatly overreaching in its desire to bring down men at any cost. And yes, the movement has also pushed that women are to be believed no matter what. However, I still fail to see how any of that applies in Biden's case. Is there no ill intent on his part? Maybe. But that's just as speculative as assuming women don't really feel uncomfortable being groped, kissed, and smelled by him. Also, parents being okay with Biden's touchy/feely behavior with their children is meaningless. What matters is how the child feels about it. I'm sure some of them are fine with it, just as I'm sure some women are fine with it. However, the people who are uncomfortable with it have a right to feel that way too. What Biden and his defenders are doing is defending [I]his [/I]right to be overly affectionate Uncle Joe. His joke about "getting permission" to hug someone was basically his way of saying people who are uncomfortable being touched, stroked, and kissed by him need to lighten up. There are ways to tell if someone is receptive to a hug or a kiss without having to "sign a waiver" first. Even a hand on a shoulder isn't likely going to offend the vast majority of people. But hands on the chest (whether developed or not), hands on the waist, kisses on the back of the neck, face stroking, and hair smelling is not what many consider to be socially normal behavior. I don't think anybody is actually trying to "bring down" Biden. As I said before, the first woman to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriate kissing and touching said she would still vote for him over Trump. I personally think his arrogance and policy positions make him a poor choice to run against Trump, but I doubt he'll get the nomination anyway. Also, I think it's okay to publicly express why everybody isn't okay with Biden's brand of affection. The only problem I do see is people (including Biden) mocking and ridiculing those who are uncomfortable by it. [/QUOTE]

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