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<blockquote data-quote="Zable" data-source="post: 191617" data-attributes="member: 47"><p>Here’s what I posted in the Epstein thread in the not-available-for-viewing-to-non-members (defacto US) Politics & Religion forum:</p><p></p><p>In response to…. Sarah said: <a href="http://soapchat.net/goto/post?id=188956#post-188956" target="_blank"><strong>↑</strong></a></p><p></p><p><em>I'm interested in knowing what is going to happen to Prince Andrew as a result of these revelations.</em></p><p></p><p><u>Me on Nov 2nd</u></p><p></p><p>Am I right in thinking that Prince Andrew’s alleged offence is to have slept with an under-age girl Epstein introduced him to? I’ve forgotten her name. Has that been proven? Why should Andrew be in jeopardy if Epstein was murdered.</p><p></p><p>I was looking up the name of the girl who alleged that Epstein wanted her to be the surrogate mother to his baby, and I found her story in a <em>Daily Mail</em> report. Her name is Virginia Giuffre nee Roberts.</p><p></p><p>Going by DM’s story: Virginia claims (a) Epstein lost interest in her when she was 18 but still wanted her to be his baby’s birth mother; (b) she escaped his clutches at age 19 when she went to Thailand to do a massage course and met her future husband. (They live in Australia.); and (c) she slept with Prince Andrew when with Epstein.</p><p></p><p>If Virginia is indeed the underage girl the Press and other news media claim Prince Andrew slept with, it’s possible they were mistaken -- at the very least in her being under-age at the time.</p><p></p><p>Per DM’s reporting: “Roberts (Virginia) in the past claimed in US court papers that she slept with Prince Andrew, a former friend of Epstein – however, he has always denied any involvement and the allegations were later struck from the record as being “immaterial and impertinent”.</p><p></p><p>This reads like the claim that she’d slept with Andrew was stricken from the court record.</p><p></p><p>I’ve no idea what the court action was about; DM doesn’t make it clear. Maybe who Virginia slept with was “immaterial” to the case at hand.</p><p></p><p>But note that DM uses the word ‘allegation’ in the plural, so what else did she allege that was stricken from the record? Her being under-age? What he liked in bed? How he performed?</p><p></p><p>Note, also, that while the first word in the quoted phrase is “immaterial” the other word in the phrase is “impertinent” – not “irrelevant”.</p><p></p><p>If Virginia made an allegation that she was under-age at the time… Since sex with a minor is against the law, I find it hard to believe that a court would allow such an allegation by the (then) minor to be struck from the record if there was the likelihood that it was credible.</p><p></p><p>In other words, if Virginia alleged that she was under-age when she slept with Andrew, and that was an allegation which was struck from the record then the court must have had reason for not believing her claim.</p><p></p><p>Had Prince Andrew been 'cleared' in a court of law and the international Press just didn’t report it, or widely enough?</p><p></p><p>The DM story here: <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7339133/Jeffrey-Epstein-wanted-impregnate-sex-slave-18-raise-child-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...x-slave-18-raise-child-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html</strong></a></p><p></p><p><u>Nov 17th – in response to Richard Channing posting the interview with Prince Andrew:</u></p><p></p><p>I haven't watched the interview in full. Has Virginia Giuffre nee Roberts filed anything other than defamation suits? Such as civil suits for emotional distress etc against those men who should have been up for statutory rape (since she's been naming names)?</p><p></p><p></p><p><u>Me on Nov 18th:</u></p><p></p><p>My understanding is that all the men the media has gone after in connection with Epstein are those Virginia Giuffre implicated in an underage sex ring in her 'memoir', her stories of herself and others being forced to have sex with these men "under command" (Source: <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com.au/inside-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...cuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8</strong></a>) and it was she who provided the (doctored?) photo of herself with Prince Andrew's 'arm'. She's supposed to be an activist who supports and speaks out for such abused young people and all she does by way of court action is sue Ghislaine Maxwell and defend herself from lawsuits for defamation? If she's telling the truth about these men, it's baffling to me that she doesn't/didn't proactively take the lead in taking legal action against them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Me on Nov 19th in response to </p><p></p><p>I don't think she is [more credible than Prince Andrew]. Interest groups will make of it what they want to make of it, and the Press and stream media will go play up what sells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zable, post: 191617, member: 47"] Here’s what I posted in the Epstein thread in the not-available-for-viewing-to-non-members (defacto US) Politics & Religion forum: In response to…. Sarah said: [URL='http://soapchat.net/goto/post?id=188956#post-188956'][B]↑[/B][/URL] [I]I'm interested in knowing what is going to happen to Prince Andrew as a result of these revelations.[/I] [U]Me on Nov 2nd[/U] Am I right in thinking that Prince Andrew’s alleged offence is to have slept with an under-age girl Epstein introduced him to? I’ve forgotten her name. Has that been proven? Why should Andrew be in jeopardy if Epstein was murdered. I was looking up the name of the girl who alleged that Epstein wanted her to be the surrogate mother to his baby, and I found her story in a [I]Daily Mail[/I] report. Her name is Virginia Giuffre nee Roberts. Going by DM’s story: Virginia claims (a) Epstein lost interest in her when she was 18 but still wanted her to be his baby’s birth mother; (b) she escaped his clutches at age 19 when she went to Thailand to do a massage course and met her future husband. (They live in Australia.); and (c) she slept with Prince Andrew when with Epstein. If Virginia is indeed the underage girl the Press and other news media claim Prince Andrew slept with, it’s possible they were mistaken -- at the very least in her being under-age at the time. Per DM’s reporting: “Roberts (Virginia) in the past claimed in US court papers that she slept with Prince Andrew, a former friend of Epstein – however, he has always denied any involvement and the allegations were later struck from the record as being “immaterial and impertinent”. This reads like the claim that she’d slept with Andrew was stricken from the court record. I’ve no idea what the court action was about; DM doesn’t make it clear. Maybe who Virginia slept with was “immaterial” to the case at hand. But note that DM uses the word ‘allegation’ in the plural, so what else did she allege that was stricken from the record? Her being under-age? What he liked in bed? How he performed? Note, also, that while the first word in the quoted phrase is “immaterial” the other word in the phrase is “impertinent” – not “irrelevant”. If Virginia made an allegation that she was under-age at the time… Since sex with a minor is against the law, I find it hard to believe that a court would allow such an allegation by the (then) minor to be struck from the record if there was the likelihood that it was credible. In other words, if Virginia alleged that she was under-age when she slept with Andrew, and that was an allegation which was struck from the record then the court must have had reason for not believing her claim. Had Prince Andrew been 'cleared' in a court of law and the international Press just didn’t report it, or widely enough? The DM story here: [URL='https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7339133/Jeffrey-Epstein-wanted-impregnate-sex-slave-18-raise-child-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html'][B]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...x-slave-18-raise-child-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html[/B][/URL] [U]Nov 17th – in response to Richard Channing posting the interview with Prince Andrew:[/U] I haven't watched the interview in full. Has Virginia Giuffre nee Roberts filed anything other than defamation suits? Such as civil suits for emotional distress etc against those men who should have been up for statutory rape (since she's been naming names)? [U]Me on Nov 18th:[/U] My understanding is that all the men the media has gone after in connection with Epstein are those Virginia Giuffre implicated in an underage sex ring in her 'memoir', her stories of herself and others being forced to have sex with these men "under command" (Source: [URL='https://www.businessinsider.com.au/inside-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8'][B]https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...cuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8[/B][/URL]) and it was she who provided the (doctored?) photo of herself with Prince Andrew's 'arm'. She's supposed to be an activist who supports and speaks out for such abused young people and all she does by way of court action is sue Ghislaine Maxwell and defend herself from lawsuits for defamation? If she's telling the truth about these men, it's baffling to me that she doesn't/didn't proactively take the lead in taking legal action against them. Me on Nov 19th in response to I don't think she is [more credible than Prince Andrew]. Interest groups will make of it what they want to make of it, and the Press and stream media will go play up what sells. [/QUOTE]
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