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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 410382" data-attributes="member: 35">How do you know that Putin ordered Trump to stop funding Ukraine if he becomes president?&nbsp; And why does the US have the right to insert itself into these conflicts at all?By pouring billions of dollars into these wars, we ensure they last indefinitely.&nbsp; That increases civilian deaths.&nbsp; It&#039;s a racket that enriches politicians and military contractors.It also didn&#039;t matter to the Biden Administration and their fellow Dems until 3 years after Biden took office.&nbsp; They&#039;re all opportunists who use the border as a political football.I have a more cynical view of politicians.&nbsp; I believe some of them get into politics for altruistic reasons, but they become corrupted along the way.&nbsp; That&#039;s the nature of the beast.There are times when the greater good argument is valid, but that doesn&#039;t include spending billions on foreign wars while leaving the poor and middle class to suffer.&quot;Lawyers under the oversight of then-Attorney General of California Kamala Harris argued in 2014 against the release of nonviolent criminals because they wanted to keep them for cheap labor.&quot;&nbsp; To be fair, Harris said she &quot;was shocked and troubled&quot; by that argument,&quot; and &quot;directed the department’s attorneys not to make that argument again.”I guess it&#039;s a matter of whether or not you believe she didn&#039;t know what the lawyers in her office were doing.Source:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/936121/kamala-harris-office-sought-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-so-that-california-could-use-them-for-cheap-labor/" target="_blank">Kamala Harris office sought to keep inmates locked up so that California could use them for cheap labor - Washington Examiner</a>Right or wrong, vice presidents are tied to the president&#039;s agenda.&nbsp; They&#039;re forced to defend the president&#039;s record, which ultimately means they have to own it.Presidents face obstacles in the House and Senate, but there are pressure tactics they can use.&nbsp; As for the minimum wage, Biden deferred to the unelected parliamentarian.I&#039;m not a defender of Trump&#039;s presidency, so you&#039;ll get no argument from me about that.&nbsp; As far as making America &quot;great again,&quot; that means different things to different people.&nbsp; IMO, a country&#039;s leadership shapes how great it is.&nbsp; We have some great places and some great people, but we have terrible leaders who prioritize themselves, their donors, and imperialism over the needs of their citizens.&nbsp; The US is great in many ways, but it&#039;s our corrupt political system that is traitorous IMO.&nbsp; Sadly, I don&#039;t see it changing anytime soon.They&#039;re both morally bankrupt to me for different reasons.&nbsp; The degree to which that&#039;s true may vary, but I just can&#039;t bring myself to vote for one over the other.We&#039;ll have to agree to disagree on this one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 410382, member: 35"] How do you know that Putin ordered Trump to stop funding Ukraine if he becomes president? And why does the US have the right to insert itself into these conflicts at all? By pouring billions of dollars into these wars, we ensure they last indefinitely. That increases civilian deaths. It's a racket that enriches politicians and military contractors. It also didn't matter to the Biden Administration and their fellow Dems until 3 years after Biden took office. They're all opportunists who use the border as a political football. I have a more cynical view of politicians. I believe some of them get into politics for altruistic reasons, but they become corrupted along the way. [I]That's[/I] the nature of the beast. There are times when the greater good argument is valid, but that doesn't include spending billions on foreign wars while leaving the poor and middle class to suffer. "Lawyers[B] under the oversight of then-Attorney General of California Kamala Harris[/B] argued in 2014 against the release of nonviolent criminals because they wanted to keep them for cheap labor." To be fair, Harris said she "was shocked and troubled" by that argument," and "directed the department’s attorneys not to make that argument again.” I guess it's a matter of whether or not you believe she didn't know what the lawyers in her office were doing. Source: [URL='https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/936121/kamala-harris-office-sought-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-so-that-california-could-use-them-for-cheap-labor/']Kamala Harris office sought to keep inmates locked up so that California could use them for cheap labor - Washington Examiner[/URL] Right or wrong, vice presidents are tied to the president's agenda. They're forced to defend the president's record, which ultimately means they have to own it. Presidents face obstacles in the House and Senate, but there are pressure tactics they can use. As for the minimum wage, Biden deferred to the [I]unelected[/I] parliamentarian. I'm not a defender of Trump's presidency, so you'll get no argument from me about that. As far as making America "great again," that means different things to different people. IMO, a country's leadership shapes how great it is. We have some great places and some great people, but we have terrible leaders who prioritize themselves, their donors, and imperialism over the needs of their citizens. The US is great in many ways, but it's our corrupt political system that is traitorous IMO. Sadly, I don't see it changing anytime soon. They're both morally bankrupt to me for different reasons. The degree to which that's true may vary, but I just can't bring myself to vote for one over the other. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. [/QUOTE]

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