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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 35962" data-attributes="member: 35">But how certain are we that the CIA is telling the truth about Russia?&nbsp; Our government told us that Iraq had WMDs too...The fact that evidence of Russia&#039;s alleged hacking is classified is suspect too.&nbsp; Obama&#039;s increased NSA surveillance was kept hidden from us until Snowden, so I take everything my government tells me with a grain of salt.&nbsp; Obviously somebody hacked and released the emails to Wikileaks, and there have been suspicions that the RNC was hacked as well.&nbsp; Russia just seems like an easy scapegoat because of Trump&#039;s ties to Putin.&nbsp; When Mitt Romney used Russian scare tactics in 2012, he was mocked for it.&nbsp; Now Democrats are doing the same thing.&nbsp; The Diebold machines are another problem entirely, although I have a hard time believing they were hacked so precisely in the states Hillary needed to win.&nbsp; I&#039;ve also heard that there are ways to tell if the machines have been hacked into, and nothing has come to light in that regard.&nbsp; If any such hacking had been discovered, you can bet your bottom dollar that the DNC would have made it front page news by now.&nbsp; Instead, they have misleading headlines published claiming Russia &quot;hacked&quot; the election instead of the DNC&#039;s emails.&nbsp; Could Russia have done the hacking?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; But Democrats have become just as good liars as Republicans, and have failed to give us the transparency they promised.&nbsp; Thus, I&#039;m skeptical of anything they tell me.&nbsp; They also have a vested interest in deflecting blame for their losses.&nbsp; If they can put all of the blame on Russia and deplorable voters, they don&#039;t have to take responsibility for their neoliberal policies and poorly run campaigns.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 35962, member: 35"] But how certain are we that the CIA is telling the truth about Russia? Our government told us that Iraq had WMDs too... The fact that evidence of Russia's alleged hacking is classified is suspect too. Obama's increased NSA surveillance was kept hidden from us until Snowden, so I take everything my government tells me with a grain of salt. Obviously somebody hacked and released the emails to Wikileaks, and there have been suspicions that the RNC was hacked as well. Russia just seems like an easy scapegoat because of Trump's ties to Putin. When Mitt Romney used Russian scare tactics in 2012, he was mocked for it. Now Democrats are doing the same thing. The Diebold machines are another problem entirely, although I have a hard time believing they were hacked so precisely in the states Hillary needed to win. I've also heard that there are ways to tell if the machines have been hacked into, and nothing has come to light in that regard. If any such hacking had been discovered, you can bet your bottom dollar that the DNC would have made it front page news by now. Instead, they have misleading headlines published claiming Russia "hacked" the election instead of the DNC's emails. Could Russia have done the hacking? Yes. But Democrats have become just as good liars as Republicans, and have failed to give us the transparency they promised. Thus, I'm skeptical of anything they tell me. They also have a vested interest in deflecting blame for their losses. If they can put all of the blame on Russia and deplorable voters, they don't have to take responsibility for their neoliberal policies and poorly run campaigns. [/QUOTE]

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