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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 33938" data-attributes="member: 35">Obama campaigned differently from how he governed.&nbsp; Hillary was against Bernie&#039;s &quot;pie in sky&quot; during the Democratic primaries, and adopted some of his polices while running against Trump.&nbsp; She was even against gay marriage until four years ago.&nbsp; So while flip flopping shows that Trump doesn&#039;t stand on principle, it&#039;s certainly not a trait unique to him or the Republican Party.&nbsp; Democrats have done the same damn thing for years.As you said, &quot;he was better at lying.&quot;&nbsp; Obama and Trump promised things people wanted to believe, while Hillary basically said those jobs are gone and universal health care is never going to happen.I guess &quot;lifting one and obstructing the other&quot; should be left to the Democratic primaries.You know who else is &quot;still deep in it?&quot;&nbsp; The DNC, the media, and anybody else that tried to convince the public that Hillary was better than Sanders.&nbsp; Sanders had a clear lead over Trump during the Democratic primaries, and for good reason.&nbsp; Instead, Democrats propped up a seriously flawed candidate, gave no reason to vote for her other than Trump being &quot;much worse,&quot; and blamed her loss on everybody except Hillary and her campaign. I didn&#039;t want to be part of that, but I get it.&nbsp; You&#039;re a pragmatist, while I&#039;m more of an idealist.&nbsp; I prefer to vote my conscience and let the chips fall where they may than to choose between two candidates I dislike.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 33938, member: 35"] Obama campaigned differently from how he governed. Hillary was against Bernie's "pie in sky" during the Democratic primaries, and adopted some of his polices while running against Trump. She was even against gay marriage until four years ago. So while flip flopping shows that Trump doesn't stand on principle, it's certainly not a trait unique to him or the Republican Party. Democrats have done the same damn thing for years. As you said, "he was better at lying." Obama and Trump promised things people wanted to believe, while Hillary basically said those jobs are gone and universal health care is never going to happen. I guess "lifting one and obstructing the other" should be left to the Democratic primaries. You know who else is "still deep in it?" The DNC, the media, and anybody else that tried to convince the public that Hillary was better than Sanders. Sanders had a clear lead over Trump during the Democratic primaries, and for good reason. Instead, Democrats propped up a seriously flawed candidate, gave no reason to vote for her other than Trump being "much worse," and blamed her loss on everybody except Hillary and her campaign. I didn't want to be part of that, but I get it. You're a pragmatist, while I'm more of an idealist. I prefer to vote my conscience and let the chips fall where they may than to choose between two candidates I dislike. [/QUOTE]

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