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<blockquote data-quote="Spells &amp; Karma" data-source="post: 318861" data-attributes="member: 23"><p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">X-Men: The Last Stand</span></strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>continued</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">There was more of a heart to the film than I remembered. The first <em>X-Men </em>film had its roots in the Nazis persecution of minority groups (referenced to great effect in <em>The Last Stand</em> with Eric's speech about authorities waiting until its dark to come and round up the mutants). X2 had Iceman "coming out" to his parents, and Nightcrawler asking why Mystique didn't hide who she was to fit in (because she could "pass") and Mystique responding that "we shouldn't have to". The mutant cure feels very much an allegory for conversion therapy. It's a highly divisive topic which makes it great for adding layers to the themes already established. I'm not sure how to feel about Rogue ultimately being shown to benefit from the treatment, but it seems fair that there should be cases for both arguments and this was balanced out by Angel choosing to keep his wings and fly.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Angel had quite an important role in the opening scenes However he had little to say or do as the film progressed and there was no real character development. A victim, I suspect of this film simply having too much going on.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">His father, Warren Worthington II, was even more disappointing. At the start of the film he was set up as a powerful force, but it was pretty much a damp squib. This film needed a strong human antagonist to give it the same weight as the first two films and Warren II should have been it. As it was, it went nowhere and it was sorely missed.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Charles's early exit didn't help things at all. The energy between Charles and Eric is the key relationship in this series for me, and it's also important that Charles has some meaningful scenes with the human antagonist baying for mutant blood. This left a huge void that simply wasn't filled and it seemed wrong to have an X-Men film at this point in time where Patrick didn't get top billing.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">This leads me on to a key change to the dynamics that didn't work for me: Wolverine taking over. I know he's a breakout character in the comics, and I find that a little off-putting there as well, but this it feels like this is the film where it became all about Wolverine at the expense of the ensemble. He was a key figure in the first film and we saw things through his eyes so it's important he was given plenty to do. But I hate the fact that in most of the cast posters Hugh Jackman is front and centre and far more prominent in size than other actors. It seemed out of character for Logan to dramatically break down over Charles's death - particularly in front of Magneto - when there were other things to deal with. And while I can take or leave James Marden's Scott, I really disliked that the Phoenix storyline ended up being about Wolverine's love for Jean. I get that their sexual energy was explored a little in the comics as well as both earlier films, but if this storyline is about any relationship it's that between Jean and Scott. It threw things off for me and felt glaringly like it was there simply to indulge Jackman with more material.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">As mentioned, there were lots of cameos, but very few were what I'd think of as beloved or classic X-Men characters. Most of the secondary and tertiary roles were faceless and bland and lacked development. There appeared to be some Morlocks, but I don't think they were mentioned by name, either as a group or individuals. Juggernaut wasn't explored at all (a blessing, all things considered) and was the wrong fit for a film in which Xavier had already died. If he were to be part of the universe, it needed to be in a place where there was space to explore his familial history with Charles. It was great to see Moira MacTaggert, however. And I'd forgotten that there was a post-credit scene which teased a significant return. I must confess it made me laugh that Moira wore a white coat and had a stethoscope round her neck in her first scene so that we knew she was a doctor. Apart from reminding me of a gag in <em>Airplane! </em>("Excuse me sir. Are you a doctor", the stewardess asks the man sitting on the plane with a stethoscope round his neck), it looked like she was in the middle of some slutty doctors and nurses game. Or Lisa Scott Lee in the <em>Chain Reaction </em>music video.</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Spot the difference:</p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net%2Fmain-qimg-e7d5501c87c91dbe700189926ec31450&f=1&nofb=1" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 312px" /><img src="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FYrNTylPYMB1WGSQr1Q%2F200_s.gif%3Fcid%3D790b76113396f20813a4a678f43c9d0170a3c429c619df68%26rid%3D200_s.gif&f=1&nofb=1" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 454px" /></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spells & Karma, post: 318861, member: 23"] [CENTER][B][SIZE=6]X-Men: The Last Stand[/SIZE][/B] [I]continued[/I] There was more of a heart to the film than I remembered. The first [I]X-Men [/I]film had its roots in the Nazis persecution of minority groups (referenced to great effect in [I]The Last Stand[/I] with Eric's speech about authorities waiting until its dark to come and round up the mutants). X2 had Iceman "coming out" to his parents, and Nightcrawler asking why Mystique didn't hide who she was to fit in (because she could "pass") and Mystique responding that "we shouldn't have to". The mutant cure feels very much an allegory for conversion therapy. It's a highly divisive topic which makes it great for adding layers to the themes already established. I'm not sure how to feel about Rogue ultimately being shown to benefit from the treatment, but it seems fair that there should be cases for both arguments and this was balanced out by Angel choosing to keep his wings and fly. Angel had quite an important role in the opening scenes However he had little to say or do as the film progressed and there was no real character development. A victim, I suspect of this film simply having too much going on. His father, Warren Worthington II, was even more disappointing. At the start of the film he was set up as a powerful force, but it was pretty much a damp squib. This film needed a strong human antagonist to give it the same weight as the first two films and Warren II should have been it. As it was, it went nowhere and it was sorely missed. Charles's early exit didn't help things at all. The energy between Charles and Eric is the key relationship in this series for me, and it's also important that Charles has some meaningful scenes with the human antagonist baying for mutant blood. This left a huge void that simply wasn't filled and it seemed wrong to have an X-Men film at this point in time where Patrick didn't get top billing. This leads me on to a key change to the dynamics that didn't work for me: Wolverine taking over. I know he's a breakout character in the comics, and I find that a little off-putting there as well, but this it feels like this is the film where it became all about Wolverine at the expense of the ensemble. He was a key figure in the first film and we saw things through his eyes so it's important he was given plenty to do. But I hate the fact that in most of the cast posters Hugh Jackman is front and centre and far more prominent in size than other actors. It seemed out of character for Logan to dramatically break down over Charles's death - particularly in front of Magneto - when there were other things to deal with. And while I can take or leave James Marden's Scott, I really disliked that the Phoenix storyline ended up being about Wolverine's love for Jean. I get that their sexual energy was explored a little in the comics as well as both earlier films, but if this storyline is about any relationship it's that between Jean and Scott. It threw things off for me and felt glaringly like it was there simply to indulge Jackman with more material. As mentioned, there were lots of cameos, but very few were what I'd think of as beloved or classic X-Men characters. Most of the secondary and tertiary roles were faceless and bland and lacked development. There appeared to be some Morlocks, but I don't think they were mentioned by name, either as a group or individuals. Juggernaut wasn't explored at all (a blessing, all things considered) and was the wrong fit for a film in which Xavier had already died. If he were to be part of the universe, it needed to be in a place where there was space to explore his familial history with Charles. It was great to see Moira MacTaggert, however. And I'd forgotten that there was a post-credit scene which teased a significant return. I must confess it made me laugh that Moira wore a white coat and had a stethoscope round her neck in her first scene so that we knew she was a doctor. Apart from reminding me of a gag in [I]Airplane! [/I]("Excuse me sir. Are you a doctor", the stewardess asks the man sitting on the plane with a stethoscope round his neck), it looked like she was in the middle of some slutty doctors and nurses game. Or Lisa Scott Lee in the [I]Chain Reaction [/I]music video. Spot the difference: [IMG width="312px"]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net%2Fmain-qimg-e7d5501c87c91dbe700189926ec31450&f=1&nofb=1[/IMG][IMG width="454px"]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FYrNTylPYMB1WGSQr1Q%2F200_s.gif%3Fcid%3D790b76113396f20813a4a678f43c9d0170a3c429c619df68%26rid%3D200_s.gif&f=1&nofb=1[/IMG] [/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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