Trump Enters the US in War with Iran

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Trump bombed 3 nuclear sites in Iran, proving once again that the US is dictated to by Israel.

Trump didn't get Congressional approval for going to war with Iran, which violates the Constitution. Not that it matters, as presidents routinely declare war with impunity.

Director of National Intelligence Tusi Gabbard believes Iran suspended their nuclear program in 2003. Intolerant of dissent, Trump replied "I don't care what she said."

U.S. strikes 3 nuclear sites in Iran, in major regional conflict escalation​


The U.S. military has joined with Israel to launch military strikes against Iran, a dramatic escalation in the years-long effort by both nations to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

"We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan," President Trump wrote on Truth Social Saturday.

"All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE! Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Late Saturday evening, President Trump addressed the nation from the White House, joined by Vice President Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.

"Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and a stop to the nuclear threat," Trump said. "Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated."

As he praised the troops on Saturday evening, the president did say he hoped there would be no need for additional action. But, that "this cannot continue" and that Iran has "many targets left."

"If peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill."

Trump said there will be a press conference from the Pentagon at 8 a.m. ET Sunday with more details.

Saturday's attack marks the first act of direct military involvement by the U.S. in the rapidly escalating conflict between Iran and Israel.

It included a strike on the heavily-fortified Fordo nuclear site, according to Trump, which is located roughly 300 feet under a mountain about 100 miles south of Tehran. It's a move that Israel has been lobbying the U.S. to carry out, given that only the U.S. has the kind of powerful "bunker buster" bomb capable of reaching the site. Known as the GBU-57 MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator), the bomb can only be transported by one specific U.S. warplane, the B-2 stealth bomber, due to its immense 30,000 pound weight.

A U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly told NPR that senior Democratic leadership was notified of the strike right before Trump's social media post. The Army Ops Center notified senior Army leaders around the same time. It is unclear when senior Republican leadership was informed.

Several prominent Democrats criticized the military action on Saturday, with Rep. Jim Himes, the highest ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, saying in a statement: "Donald Trump's decision to launch direct military action against Iran without Congressional approval is a clear violation of the Constitution, which grants the power to declare war explicitly to Congress."

"It is impossible to know at this stage whether this operation accomplished its objectives," Himes continued.

A turning point​

The U.S. carried out the strike despite years of promises by Trump to keep the country from entangling itself in another Middle East conflict. Yet Trump has also said it is paramount that Iran never be allowed to acquire a nuclear weapon.

Trump initially sought to negotiate a new nuclear deal with Iran — one to replace the Obama-era agreement that he abandoned, despite Iran's apparent compliance, in 2018. But in the days after Israel's initial strikes on Iran earlier this month, he grew increasingly vocal in his opposition to Iran and the possibility it could attack U.S. assets in the region.

Trump had called for Iran's "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!" and boasted on social media that the U.S. has "complete and total control of the skies over Iran." In a separate post earlier this month, he threatened Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, saying the Iranian leader's location had been identified.

"He is an easy target, but is safe there — We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now," Trump wrote. "But we don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin."

Khamenei had decried a potential U.S. strike, saying in a post on X earlier this month that the U.S. would be entering the conflict "100% to its own detriment."

"The harm the US will suffer will definitely be irreparable if they enter this conflict militarily," he wrote.

A new phase of uncertainty​

Trump has previously ruled out the prospect of American ground forces in Iran. Still, the U.S. attack introduces a new phase of uncertainty into conflict that began earlier this month with dozens of Israeli air strikes against Iran.

Israel considers Iran an existential threat and says its attacks this month have been necessary to keep Tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. The attacks have strictly targeted military and nuclear facilities, according to Israel, but the Iranian government says they are already responsible for the deaths of more than 200 civilians.

Iran has responded with a barrage of missile and drone strikes aimed at Israel. The Israeli military says it has intercepted many of those projectiles, but not all. The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says dozens have been killed, and hundreds more wounded.

Iran has long defended its nuclear program as peaceful, but Netanyahu has argued it poses a risk not just for his nation, but for the U.S. as well.

For its part, the U.S. intelligence community has said it believes Iran suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003, following the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard relayed that guidance as recently as March during an appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

But earlier this month, Trump contradicted Gabbard, telling reporters on his way back from the G7 summit in Canada, "I don't care what she said. I think they [the Iranians] were very close to having it."

Source: U.S. strikes 3 nuclear sites in Iran : NPR
 
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America has been claiming that "Iran is twelve hours away" from having The Bomb since the 1980s. Even Reagan was willing to pick up the phone and tell Israel to chill out.

Some Trump fans (and non-Trump fans) hoped his unique first-term policy of not starting another war might bode well for his second term. But this is what giving him the benefit of the doubt looks like.

And instead of shadow-boxing his public response to Tulsi's speech from March by saying, "things have changed in three months," Trump instead sneers, "I don't care what she says." She, his hand-picked national security czar.

I wonder how long she'll last.
 

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The level of arrogance, bluster and narcissism coming from the current U.S. administration, will do more harm to world safety than any Iranian nuclear program ever would have....sidenote....are we, the rest of the world really supposed to feel safer with Trump, Putin, Xi and Jong Un in charge of nuclear weapons??? Are we to believe, it doesn't now behoove Xi and Jong Un to ensure that Iran is fully nuclear capable?

Having Hegseth and Trump stand there and declare the U.S. military dominance in the world and say no other country could have pulled this off is sickening (not only for the fact that the U.S. is still using Canadian taxpayer funded military technology in their aircraft and rockets) but also because they only did so, after Israeli forces had cleared the airspace and Iran's ability to defend itself. So the U.S. swoops in when it's safe and will face no potential military blowback in this attack and then proclaims to be the great and powerful and no braver forces in the world exist.

Not to fear monger, but the bragging and bluster might stop if any Iranian loyalists, seize on the thousands of large scale, soft targets on U.S. soil. You can't defend full stadiums of people or 4th of July crowds, etc. from the many possibilities. I hope I'm wrong but with Iran de-fanged right now (unless Russia, NK and China step in to protect Iranian oil supplies), terrorism is their best shot at threatening the Trump regime. Don't you think Iran is capable of getting a shipping container in a U..S. port and unleashing armed drones, etc? They now have sympathizers who could stomach it.

I really don't know who the "good guys" are anymore. I just know that it's generally innocent civilians who pay the ultimate price for rogue leadership.
 
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We need to remember, it's not just the current administration -- vile though they are. Would Biden (or Biden's team) have refused Israel's invitation to attack Iran in order "to protect" Israel from The Bomb Iran was not about to develop??

I think not.

The hawks in the American federal government/corporate nexus have been pushing for chaos and (inevitably mutual) destruction for years now, inching towards Armageddon with the oddly-common belief that Armageddon is "winnable" and even desirable... Perhaps they believe that those underground bunkers for the very, very rich will protect them (if they even think it out that far).

They always view these things as "game on."

But sociopaths run everything. Always have. And the sociopaths who have the most power tend to be the least afraid even of their own self-destruction.

And this has happened before. In 1961, the CIA and Joint Chiefs met with JFK and tried to talk him into initiating a nuclear assault not only on Cuba but also The Soviet Union ("Russia" by any other name), the hawks under the misguided belief that the USSR's retaliatory capability was limited enough that we could wipe them all out and "only" suffer 30 million American deaths (at the worst) in response... So, we win .... JFK declined, walking out of the meeting uttering expletives -- and suffered the ultimate personal price for the "weakness" of his choices.

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I really don't know who the "good guys" are anymore. I just know that it's generally innocent civilians who pay the ultimate price for rogue leadership.

Yes. If only it was as rogue as we'd like to believe. Ironically, it may be up to Russia -- a country with whom we're currently in a proxy war -- to save us from ourselves.

How, exactly, is another question.
 
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Well, well, well.

Turns out Trump is nothing more than a neo-con, war hawk after all.

Huh. Waiting with baited breath to read how Hilary and Joe and Obama are to blame and how Trump has no choice.

War under this administration will be catastrophic. The sheer number of political, military, and national security appointees who are vastly unqualified to hold their position is astounding.

Turns out a Trump presidency comes with racism, sexism, attacks on civil rights, attacks on the free press, direct violations of the Constitution, US troops being used against American citizens on American soil, direct grifting of the tax payers' money, AND a war.

Who could have possibly seen this coming?
 

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Well, well, well.

Turns out Trump is nothing more than a neo-con, war hawk after all.

Huh. Waiting with baited breath to read how Hilary and Joe and Obama are to blame and how Trump has no choice.

War under this administration will be catastrophic. The sheer number of political, military, and national security appointees who are vastly unqualified to hold their position is astounding.

Turns out a Trump presidency comes with racism, sexism, attacks on civil rights, attacks on the free press, direct violations of the Constitution, US troops being used against American citizens on American soil, direct grifting of the tax payers' money, AND a war.

Who could have possibly seen this coming?
"Hillary and Joe and Obama" are to blame for the wars they supported/started, as is Trump. Trump lied about not getting us into anymore wars, but that doesn't shock me considering his track record when it comes to telling the truth. Nobody in this thread voted for him, and we were only cautiously hopeful that he would live up to his promise. I pride myself in being an outspoken critic of all war mongers, regardless of what party they belong to. Trump made the decision to bomb Iran, so he alone owns this illegal war.

Previous administrations (both Republican and Democrat) came with unnecessary wars, warrantless surveillance, tax cuts for the rich, elimination of habeas corpus, attacks on the free press (Julian Assange), attacks on whistleblowers (Edward Snowden), lies about codifying Roe v. Wade and increasing the minimum wage, etc. The US was far from a democratic utopia before Trump came along. While some long for the status quo, I believe that had a lot to do with how a faux populist like Trump was elected to begin with.
 
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"Hillary and Joe and Obama" are to blame for the wars they supported/started, as is Trump. Trump lied about not getting us into anymore wars, but that doesn't shock me considering his track record when it comes to telling the truth. Nobody in this thread voted for him, and we were only cautiously hopeful that he would live up to his promise. I don't know what your "I told you so" attitude is about, as none of us our supporters and we've been outspoken critics of war mongers, regardless of what party they belong to.

Previous administrations (both Republican and Democrat) came with unnecessary wars, warrantless surveillance, tax cuts for the rich, elimination of habeas corpus, attacks on the free press (Julian Assange), attacks on whistleblowers (Edward Snowden), lies about codifying Roe v. Wade and increasing the minimum wage, etc. The US was far from a democratic utopia before Trump came along, and those who see the status quo as being "good" in comparison fail to realize how a faux populist like Trump was elected in the first place.

There's disagreement within her own family apparently.

She didn't mean us. So we can relax.
 

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The US was far from a democratic utopia before Trump came along, and those who see the status quo as being "good" in comparison fail to realize how a faux populist like Trump was elected in the first place.
Oh, I realize exactly how he was elected in the first place. The dissatisfaction with both parties, the constant war mongering from both parties, the enriching of the elite class at the expense of the working class by both parties , the abuse of the patriot act by both parties all played a huge role. Add to that Trump's celebrity status and his massive appeal to racists and homophobes and it's all a recipe for disaster.

I have never disagreed that both parties are to blame for ALL of our problems. Having said that, none of our previous presidents have been out right narcissistic sociopaths. Trump is a constitutional crisis on steroids, and YES any other option (Clinton, Harris, Biden, Rubio, Haley) would have been preferable.
 

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It's sad how far we've fallen. It's so dire that people find other war mongers preferable to the sitting president because the degree of harm they'll cause at home is slightly less.

The American empire has been on a collision course towards collapse since 9/11, but Trump's hastening it. With him or without him, the US has been doomed for some time. A country that has endless war funding and an economy that only benefits the top 1% isn't sustainable forever. Accountability of leadership should have happened decades ago.
 
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Isn't it sad how far we've fallen? It's so dire that people find known war mongers preferable to the sitting president because the degree of harm they'll cause is slightly less.

I personally believe the American empire has been on a collision course towards collapse since 9/11, but Trump may just speed it up. With him or without him, I feel the US has been doomed for some time. A country that has endless war funding and an economy that only benefits the top 1% isn't sustainable forever. Sooner or later, the party ends.

But Eisenhower warned us about it just 48 hours before leaving office -- although he himself, perhaps remorseful, had been complicit in constructing that dynamic.
 

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It's sad how far we've fallen. It's so dire that people find other war mongers preferable to the sitting president because the degree of harm they'll cause at home is slightly less.

The American empire has been on a collision course towards collapse since 9/11, but Trump's hastening it. With him or without him, the US has been doomed for some time. A country that has endless war funding and an economy that only benefits the top 1% isn't sustainable forever. Accountability of leadership should have happened decades ago.
I agree with everything you wrote here. Still, I do believe that the lesser of two evils is better. It's a sad place to be for sure, but it's where I have landed unfortunately.
 

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We wish to have our Presidents use good judgement which is what Trump does not have nor will ever have. President Obama wisely kept us out of Syria because he saw it as a possible quagmire that we would never get out of. He got the Iran nuclear deal with Trump stupidly pulled the USA out of. As for Netanahyu I had no use for him after he disrespected President Obama the way he did with his speech to Congress. He finally has an American President who is eager to go to war with Iran which is something that Bush, Obama, and Biden refuse to do.
 

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Okay, so Russia is meeting with Iran today to discuss Russia's support against the United States. In addition,

Trump is now floating regime change in Iran which WOULD require boots on the ground.

This weekend's bombing of Iranian facilities has provoked a needless escalation of tensions that could very well lead to world war 3.

There is NO logical defense of Trump's actions.
 

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Okay, so Russia is meeting with Iran today to discuss Russia's support against the United States. In addition,

Trump is now floating regime change in Iran which WOULD require boots on the ground.

This weekend's bombing of Iranian facilities has provoked a needless escalation of tensions that could very well lead to world war 3.

There is NO logical defense of Trump's actions.

And the available Democrats, had they entered the oval office in 2025, would have done all of the same thing "47" is now doing. They just would be doing it with less swagger (they wouldn't be promising to pull out of Ukraine, but "47" is unlikely to follow through on that).

Trump's personality just makes it harder for America to play the victim, try as we might...

The one 'good' thing about "47" is that his blatant arrogance reveals what American foreign policy is really all about: he sometimes says the quiet part out loud -- allowing the Democratic politicians to stand by the wayside, aghast at his irresponsibility, even though he's doing most of they'd be doing in the same situation (and were).

Even if we survive WW3, it's all gonna be shit.

At least Putin seems to have more of a concern about keeping the planet alive, if not all the individual rebellious denizens of his own country.

Such a mixed bag. Like a colostomy!
 
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