Marilyn Monroe: The Final Days

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That's key to Marilyn's appeal: she's forever young and beautiful. Like James Dean and her own idol Jean Harlow, she'll never age another day.

A lot of the fun is discussing "what could've been" had she lived. It's interesting to ponder what other films she could've made and just where her movie career might've gone had she lived. Would she have done all the movies presented to her at the end of her life? I often image the movie KISS ME, STUPID with Monroe as the stuff-nosed Polly, even though I adore Kim Novak in the part. Whenever I watch MOVE OVER, DARLING, I think about the unfinished SOMETHING'S GOT TO GO GIVE that was intended as something of a comeback for Marilyn in 1962.

That's what makes it all fun. Would Marilyn have switched over to television, and would she have tried her hand at the stage or perhaps night-time soaps? It's certainly hard to tell. But it's definitely fun to guess.

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If Marilyn had lived past 1962, I imagine her life and career would have followed a similar trajectory as Liz's: a rise to "respectability" and maybe an Oscar by the mid- to late- 60s, followed by a long decline into unworthy films through the 70s. She inevitably would have guested on one of Lucy's sitcoms, struggled with addiction and weight, become a target of Joan Rivers, had a stint in the Betty Ford clinic, followed by some high profile TV guest appearances, and charity work. Hard to imagine she ever would have had the discipline or punctuality for stage work, or an ongoing TV series.
 

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It's such a fascinating thought - what if MM lived. As already said, it's hard to see her life continuing normally and not being filled with struggles, drama and tragedy, but if she somehow managed to pull herself out of it all, find a good guy, in a stable relationship, maybe have a child, then perhaps her career could go on successfully and who knows, she could even get that respect and awards, a la Liz. Maybe she would have done Virginia Woolf, followed by The Graduate and then more good roles in the 70s???? Maybe....

BUT, in reality, it seems more realistic that her life would continue being a mess and her career would collapse even further. After getting back to do Something's Gotta Give, the finished movie would bomb, FOX would cancel her contract again, and MM would have a few more unsuccessful attempts at Hollywood 1960s type romantic comedies before leaving to Europe to do cheap horror and ''art'' movies..... As the 1980s roll in, a now forgotten, former blonde bombshell, would come back to the States, and try her luck on TV, making guest appearances on Spelling series and other hit shows. The collective 50s nostalgia would benefit MM and she would soon lend a comeback role of a lifetime, as Blanche Devereaux on Golden Girls!!!!

 

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BUT, in reality, it seems more realistic that her life would continue being a mess and her career would collapse even further.

I think the best case scenario of an imaginary extension of Marilyn's life is her, having survived a near death experience, cleaning up her life. That's why I like to think she could have had a career peak in the mid- to late- 60s, before Hollywood would inevitably lose interest due to her age.

But, that hinges on how Fox would have responded to its star's failed probable/accidental/intentional suicide attempt. Would they have fired her as a liability, in the same way MGM booted Judy in 1950? If Marilyn had been fired from the same film twice, she probably would have been untouchable by Hollywood studios, hastening a career turn into lesser American productions, TV, and European films.

I don't think there's any scenario where Marilyn could have gone onto sustained happiness and glory. Unlike Judy, who's problems were entirely the result of showbiz, I think Marilyn's early childhood was such a mess that she was likely in for a bad life even if she had never become famous.
 

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SOME LIKE IT HOT was, on my levels, the biggest critical and box office success of Marilyn's motion picture career. The film originated within the partnership of producer-director Billy Wilder and screenwriter I.A.L. Diamond. The duo had liked the 1935 film called FANFARE OF LOVE, which had been remade in Germany in 1951. The partners took the skeleton of the plot, which consists of two out-of-work male musicians taking jobs in an all-girl band while dressed in drag. They fleshed out the story to make it a farce, and made it where the guys witnessing the St. Valentine's Day Massacre ushers them into having to dress in drag and flee to Florida out of fear of being killed by gangsters.

The two male leads were named Joe and Jerry. A different times, several different well-known performers were considered for those two roles, including Frank Sinatra, Danny Kaye, Jerry Lewis, and Walter Matthau. Apparently, Wilder had made a lunch date with Sinatra, who failed to show up, resulting in Wilder withdrawing him from consideration. Wilder favored newcomer Jack Lemmon for one of the roles, although the studio behind the project, United Artists, felt Lemmon was not yet a big enough star to assure the film's success at the box office. It was then Wilder approached Tony Curtis about accepting the role of Joe, the unofficial leader of the male duo. Curtis readily accepted the part. Wilder and Diamond then turned their attention to casting the part of Sugar, the lead singer of the all-girl jazz band. The duo later remembered that they had written the part with Mitzi Gaynor in mind. Around the same time, Monroe's agent phoned Wilder expressing Monroe's desire to work with the director again. Wilder had directed Monroe in THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH (1955), which had been a big hit. Despite knowing of Monroe's on-set hiccups and tendencies of being unreliable, Wilder agreed to her casting on the assurance that her public popularity would generate big profits at the box office. With Monroe and Curtis both on board, the studio eventually relented to Wilder's requests to have Jack Lemmon play the wisecracking Jerry.
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SOME LIKE IT HOT is one of those movies that is infamous for its production history. There were multiple delays during filming, with almost all the blame being directed towards Monroe's behavior. As with many of her other pictures, Monroe was frequently late to the set and often didn't show up at all. When she did show up, she was unfamiliar with the script and had to have her dialogue placed on cue cards around the set. Many people involved with the production spoke of Monroe's reliance on her acting coach Paula Strasberg. Monroe had been training with Lee and Paula Strasberg from the Actors Studio since 1955, and she had learned to rely on Paula's direction to help guide a stronger, more "method" performance. Wilder detested Strasberg, and he resented how Monroe leaned more towards her direction instead of his. Wilder would later comment at how difficult it was to work with Marilyn, but also how magical she appeared on screen. While he agreed other actresses would've been far less trouble, he also stated that nobody could've played Sugar better than Marilyn.

When it was released on March 29, 1959, SOME LIKE IT HOT was a critical and box office smash. Funnily the film's first preview bombed with the audience. As it is told, the audience in attendance had came to see SUDDENLY, LAST SUMMER (1959), and they were put off by a comedy about men running around in drag. The Hays Code had strong objections to Curtis and Lemmon in drag, feeling that such content promoted homosexuality and cross-dressing. Even so, SOME LIKE IT HOT was permitted for a worldwide release, therefore serving as one of the final nails in the Hays Code coffin. The film has went on to have a strong popular culture following, and it was proclaimed the best comedy of all time by the American Film Institute.

Any SOME LIKE IT HOT fans?
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SOME LIKE IT HOT was Marilyn Monroe's last hit of her career. It grossed somewhere around $12 million in American theaters in 1959. On the flipside, her final two films -- LET'S MAKE LOVE (1960) and THE MISFITS (1961) -- suffered mixed reviews and indifferent success with audiences. I've often theorized had she been able to complete SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE, she would've reversed her fortunes at the box office and had another hit. The movie had all the ingredients for success, but they just "couldn't keep it going" as actress Cyd Charisse said.​
 
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Some Like It Hot is my favorite comedy and imo the best comedy ever. Every second of it is just perfect!
I'm making a watch list for my birthday (which is on October 14th), and I told my wife last night that we might have to watch SOME LIKE IT HOT as a part of my day. There's so many movies that I want to share with her, though, and we may not watch it because she's seen it with me before.​
 

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That exchange at the end never fails making me laugh.
 

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The 60th anniversary of her mysterious demise is coming up this summer --- does anybody still care?

I noticed on IMDb, lots of people were still posting on James Dean's fiftieth death day (in 2005), but by the 60th (in 2015), almost no one was. (This is before the forums closed in 2017, of course).

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I'd be inclined to think people still care -- drawing the assumption from the new BLONDE coming to Netflix this year.

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MM was an iconic character who mad some memorable movies. Somehow, I was never that much of a fan. Nothing against her, and I do enjoy some of her work. mind you.
Maybe it was the voice- never cared for it.
I was much more of a fan of Jayne Mansfield, and some of the lesser known actress
 

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I was much more of a fan of Jayne Mansfield
When I originally got into Monroe -- who was the key to my admiration of Old Hollywood in general -- I remember my grandfather always mentioning Jayne Mansfield to me. At the time, I hadn't heard of Mansfield; but he was insistent that I look her up. Of course, my grandfather wasn't a fan of Mansfield because of her acting, but he was firm in his opinion that Mansfield was more attractive than Monroe. Now, I've never sided with his opinion, but I have come to have a certain appreciation for Mansfield over the years. She was truly a gifted comedienne that went vastly underused in her career, partly because of her own over-publicity and career misjudgment.​
 

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SOME LIKE IT HOT was, on my levels, the biggest critical and box office success of Marilyn's motion picture career. The film originated within the partnership of producer-director Billy Wilder and screenwriter I.A.L. Diamond. The duo had liked the 1935 film called FANFARE OF LOVE, which had been remade in Germany in 1951. The partners took the skeleton of the plot, which consists of two out-of-work male musicians taking jobs in an all-girl band while dressed in drag. They fleshed out the story to make it a farce, and made it where the guys witnessing the St. Valentine's Day Massacre ushers them into having to dress in drag and flee to Florida out of fear of being killed by gangsters.

The two male leads were named Joe and Jerry. A different times, several different well-known performers were considered for those two roles, including Frank Sinatra, Danny Kaye, Jerry Lewis, and Walter Matthau. Apparently, Wilder had made a lunch date with Sinatra, who failed to show up, resulting in Wilder withdrawing him from consideration. Wilder favored newcomer Jack Lemmon for one of the roles, although the studio behind the project, United Artists, felt Lemmon was not yet a big enough star to assure the film's success at the box office. It was then Wilder approached Tony Curtis about accepting the role of Joe, the unofficial leader of the male duo. Curtis readily accepted the part. Wilder and Diamond then turned their attention to casting the part of Sugar, the lead singer of the all-girl jazz band. The duo later remembered that they had written the part with Mitzi Gaynor in mind. Around the same time, Monroe's agent phoned Wilder expressing Monroe's desire to work with the director again. Wilder had directed Monroe in THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH (1955), which had been a big hit. Despite knowing of Monroe's on-set hiccups and tendencies of being unreliable, Wilder agreed to her casting on the assurance that her public popularity would generate big profits at the box office. With Monroe and Curtis both on board, the studio eventually relented to Wilder's requests to have Jack Lemmon play the wisecracking Jerry.
SOME LIKE IT HOT is one of those movies that is infamous for its production history. There were multiple delays during filming, with almost all the blame being directed towards Monroe's behavior. As with many of her other pictures, Monroe was frequently late to the set and often didn't show up at all. When she did show up, she was unfamiliar with the script and had to have her dialogue placed on cue cards around the set. Many people involved with the production spoke of Monroe's reliance on her acting coach Paula Strasberg. Monroe had been training with Lee and Paula Strasberg from the Actors Studio since 1955, and she had learned to rely on Paula's direction to help guide a stronger, more "method" performance. Wilder detested Strasberg, and he resented how Monroe leaned more towards her direction instead of his. Wilder would later comment at how difficult it was to work with Marilyn, but also how magical she appeared on screen. While he agreed other actresses would've been far less trouble, he also stated that nobody could've played Sugar better than Marilyn.

When it was released on March 29, 1959, SOME LIKE IT HOT was a critical and box office smash. Funnily the film's first preview bombed with the audience. As it is told, the audience in attendance had came to see SUDDENLY, LAST SUMMER (1959), and they were put off by a comedy about men running around in drag. The Hays Code had strong objections to Curtis and Lemmon in drag, feeling that such content promoted homosexuality and cross-dressing. Even so, SOME LIKE IT HOT was permitted for a worldwide release, therefore serving as one of the final nails in the Hays Code coffin. The film has went on to have a strong popular culture following, and it was proclaimed the best comedy of all time by the American Film Institute.

Any SOME LIKE IT HOT fans?
SOME LIKE IT HOT was Marilyn Monroe's last hit of her career. It grossed somewhere around $12 million in American theaters in 1959. On the flipside, her final two films -- LET'S MAKE LOVE (1960) and THE MISFITS (1961) -- suffered mixed reviews and indifferent success with audiences. I've often theorized had she been able to complete SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE, she would've reversed her fortunes at the box office and had another hit. The movie had all the ingredients for success, but they just "couldn't keep it going" as actress Cyd Charisse said.​

William Smithers (born July 10, 1927 and still alive), an American actor who played the character of Jeremy Wendell, J.R. Ewing's archenemy in "Dallas", stated in an old Italian magazine from the 1950s that Marilyn Monroe did not attend the Actors Studio with him at all, but was only enrolled in acting classes !
 
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