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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 262882" data-attributes="member: 33"><p>You didn't answer any of my questions so I assume your answer would be yes, you do think it's ok to allow the virus to rip through the population and kill hundreds of thousands more people and leave a life long legacy of long covid on millions of other survivors.</p><p></p><p>Your view of the role of the state appears to be a right-wing one seeing everyone acting individually rather than as a society working to a common good which is the opposite to my socialist viewpoint so we see the issue from different perspectives. However, factually many of the things you said are wrong. We don't have a choice whether or not to participate in the criminal justice system as courts can subpoena witnesses, we don't have choice whether to participate in the education system as it's compulsory to the age of 18. We all contribute and take out of public services to different amounts depending on our individual circumstances at different points in our lives. As a society we have a responsibility to look after each other and to be looked after by each other.</p><p></p><p>I agree that millions have had their livelihoods destroyed by lockdowns, I'm one of them, but what about the millions of people whose lives have been destroyed by the covid virus because they have lost loved ones or they are now facing a diminished life dealing with long covid or caring for someone with that condition?</p><p></p><p>I agree with you that it's about restoring life and liberty and preventing long term deprivation, I want that too, but that can't be achieved if hundreds of thousands more are dying and millions more a living with long covid. How can a business function properly if regularly employees are dying, going off sick or dealing with long covid? How can we expect people to return to mixing and going about their every day lives if they know there was a growing chance of coming into contact with someone who could give them a virus that could kill them or leave them with chronic disease that would ruin their quality of life?</p><p></p><p>You are also wrong to think the lockdowns are only to protect the old and the vulnerable because long covid seems to be affecting younger people more than the elderly. Therefore, do we really want to create a generation suffering with chronic fatigue, muscle pain, brain fog, anxiety and depression and an increased chance of developing heart problems and dementia? Lockdowns protect the young more than the elderly because they have more of their lives yet to live.</p><p></p><p>The solution isn't repeated lockdowns but to get as many people vaccinated as possible and implement an effective test, trace and isolate programme and then we can go back to living our lives safely and without fear but until we get to that point, we have to maintain social distance and have other restrictions to control the virus spread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 262882, member: 33"] You didn't answer any of my questions so I assume your answer would be yes, you do think it's ok to allow the virus to rip through the population and kill hundreds of thousands more people and leave a life long legacy of long covid on millions of other survivors. Your view of the role of the state appears to be a right-wing one seeing everyone acting individually rather than as a society working to a common good which is the opposite to my socialist viewpoint so we see the issue from different perspectives. However, factually many of the things you said are wrong. We don't have a choice whether or not to participate in the criminal justice system as courts can subpoena witnesses, we don't have choice whether to participate in the education system as it's compulsory to the age of 18. We all contribute and take out of public services to different amounts depending on our individual circumstances at different points in our lives. As a society we have a responsibility to look after each other and to be looked after by each other. I agree that millions have had their livelihoods destroyed by lockdowns, I'm one of them, but what about the millions of people whose lives have been destroyed by the covid virus because they have lost loved ones or they are now facing a diminished life dealing with long covid or caring for someone with that condition? I agree with you that it's about restoring life and liberty and preventing long term deprivation, I want that too, but that can't be achieved if hundreds of thousands more are dying and millions more a living with long covid. How can a business function properly if regularly employees are dying, going off sick or dealing with long covid? How can we expect people to return to mixing and going about their every day lives if they know there was a growing chance of coming into contact with someone who could give them a virus that could kill them or leave them with chronic disease that would ruin their quality of life? You are also wrong to think the lockdowns are only to protect the old and the vulnerable because long covid seems to be affecting younger people more than the elderly. Therefore, do we really want to create a generation suffering with chronic fatigue, muscle pain, brain fog, anxiety and depression and an increased chance of developing heart problems and dementia? Lockdowns protect the young more than the elderly because they have more of their lives yet to live. The solution isn't repeated lockdowns but to get as many people vaccinated as possible and implement an effective test, trace and isolate programme and then we can go back to living our lives safely and without fear but until we get to that point, we have to maintain social distance and have other restrictions to control the virus spread. [/QUOTE]
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