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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 262920" data-attributes="member: 33">My point was that right-wing conservatism is about individualism whereas socialism is about doing what&#039;s best for society as a whole. Your argument is about individual freedoms whereas I&#039;m arguing for what is collectively best for the population.You say my questions were &quot;nonsense&quot; well here are the facts:1. If we don&#039;t take measures to control the virus it will rip through the population. Existing vaccines are ineffective against the current South African and/or the Brazilian variants and people who have already had Covid can be re-infected with the new variant. If you want all restrictions lifted then you have to accept the virus will spread exponentially.2.&nbsp; It the virus is allowed to spread uncontrolled and it has a fatality rate of 1% then potentially hundreds of thousands of more people could die.&nbsp; That&#039;s what you would have to accept if there were no Covid control measures.3. Long Covid affects young people as well as old and can affect people who initially have an asymptomatic infection. About 10% of people who have a Covid infection will develop long Covid. If we take no action to control Covid infections then millions of people would develop long Covid with symptoms including chronic fatigue, depression, anxiety, muscle pain and heart problems&nbsp; You correctly say that Covid infection rates are higher amongst younger people so potentially the mental health issues resulting from long Covid could vastly exceed the mental health crisis caused by lockdown. Again, that is what you would have to accept for the population if you want to allow the virus to spread uncontrollably.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 262920, member: 33"] My point was that right-wing conservatism is about individualism whereas socialism is about doing what's best for society as a whole. Your argument is about individual freedoms whereas I'm arguing for what is collectively best for the population. You say my questions were "nonsense" well here are the facts: 1. If we don't take measures to control the virus it will rip through the population. Existing vaccines are ineffective against the current South African and/or the Brazilian variants and people who have already had Covid can be re-infected with the new variant. If you want all restrictions lifted then you have to accept the virus will spread exponentially. 2. It the virus is allowed to spread uncontrolled and it has a fatality rate of 1% then potentially hundreds of thousands of more people could die. That's what you would have to accept if there were no Covid control measures. 3. Long Covid affects young people as well as old and can affect people who initially have an asymptomatic infection. About 10% of people who have a Covid infection will develop long Covid. If we take no action to control Covid infections then millions of people would develop long Covid with symptoms including chronic fatigue, depression, anxiety, muscle pain and heart problems You correctly say that Covid infection rates are higher amongst younger people so potentially the mental health issues resulting from long Covid could vastly exceed the mental health crisis caused by lockdown. Again, that is what you would have to accept for the population if you want to allow the virus to spread uncontrollably. [/QUOTE]

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