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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 443049" data-attributes="member: 35">Getting back to woke, one of the interesting things to me is seeing how exclusionary many of these &quot;inclusive&quot; people tend to be.&nbsp; I keep seeing the right get all of the criticism for using scare tactics to turn people against progressive policies, but what exactly do we mean when we say &quot;progressive?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; When it comes to taxing the rich, ending the wars, and implementing universal healthcare, the establishment Dems attack &quot;the far left&quot; and &quot;socialists&quot; just as much as the right.&quot;&nbsp; Where establishment Dems and the right disagree is on issues such as gender affirming care for children, and I don&#039;t consider that progressive (If you&#039;re an adult, do what you want).&nbsp; I know other trans people who feel the same way that have been shunned by many in the community.&nbsp; It should be possible to simply have a difference of an opinion, but as I said, many self-proclaimed woke people tend to be pretty exclusionary.&nbsp; People on the right have sarcastically joked about the &quot;tolerant left&quot; for ages, but there&#039;s a grain of truth to it when it comes to the woke.Another reason I don&#039;t put all of the blame on the right is that many Dems (including Obama and the Clintons) didn&#039;t even support gay marriage until the late 2000s.&nbsp; Bill Clinton was a Dem, yet his administration did &quot;Don&#039;t Ask/Don&#039;t Tell,&quot; as well as &quot;The Defense of Marriage Act.&quot;&nbsp; He also helped gut welfare, and Hillary said welfare recipients would &quot;no longer be deadbeats.&quot;&nbsp; Wow, how woke of them.&nbsp; Sounds like something Reagan or Bush would have dreamed up.&nbsp; But who knows, maybe I&#039;m making another false equivalence.The establishment Democrats did the exact same thing in reverse for the same reason!&nbsp; Dems hid behind the woke agenda to hide their corruption and ill intent, so they would basically have to overcome a failure of their own making.&nbsp; Sure, the Republicans put fuel on the fire, but the Dems added the logs.&nbsp; Now you have AOC apologizing for &quot;woke 1.0&quot; because she knows the public is fed up with the phony virtue signaling and identity politics nonstop.&nbsp; That&#039;s what people mean by &quot;woke&quot; (not legitimate social justice issues).Standing up for the rights of marginalized groups is noble, but being &quot;woke&quot; these days means to virtue signal and distract from the lack of polices aimed at ending the wars and helping the working class.&nbsp; That&#039;s why you had Biden hosting topless trans activists at the White House, gender affirming care and trans athletes becoming hot button issues, and the weaponization of identity politics.&nbsp; For example, the woke will call you a racist and a sexist for criticizing Kamala Harris&#039;s policies.&nbsp; That&#039;s why it&#039;s not taken seriously.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 443049, member: 35"] Getting back to woke, one of the interesting things to me is seeing how exclusionary many of these "inclusive" people tend to be. I keep seeing the right get all of the criticism for using scare tactics to turn people against progressive policies, but what exactly do we mean when we say "progressive?" When it comes to taxing the rich, ending the wars, and implementing universal healthcare, the establishment Dems attack "the far left" and "socialists" just as much as the right." Where establishment Dems and the right disagree is on issues such as gender affirming care for children, and I don't consider that progressive (If you're an adult, do what you want). I know other trans people who feel the same way that have been shunned by many in the community. It should be possible to simply have a difference of an opinion, but as I said, many self-proclaimed woke people tend to be pretty exclusionary. People on the right have sarcastically joked about the "tolerant left" for ages, but there's a grain of truth to it when it comes to the woke. Another reason I don't put all of the blame on the right is that many Dems (including Obama and the Clintons) didn't even support gay marriage until the late 2000s. Bill Clinton was a Dem, yet his administration did "Don't Ask/Don't Tell," as well as "The Defense of Marriage Act." He also helped gut welfare, and Hillary said welfare recipients would "no longer be deadbeats." Wow, how woke of them. Sounds like something Reagan or Bush would have dreamed up. But who knows, maybe I'm making another false equivalence. The establishment Democrats did the exact same thing in reverse for the same reason! Dems hid behind the woke agenda to hide their corruption and ill intent, so they would basically have to overcome a failure of their own making. Sure, the Republicans put fuel on the fire, but the Dems added the logs. Now you have AOC apologizing for "woke 1.0" because she knows the public is fed up with the phony virtue signaling and identity politics nonstop. That's what people mean by "woke" (not legitimate social justice issues). Standing up for the rights of marginalized groups is noble, but being "woke" these days means to virtue signal and distract from the lack of polices aimed at ending the wars and helping the working class. That's why you had Biden hosting topless trans activists at the White House, gender affirming care and trans athletes becoming hot button issues, and the weaponization of identity politics. For example, the woke will call you a racist and a sexist for criticizing Kamala Harris's [I][B]policies[/B][/I]. That's why it's not taken seriously. [/QUOTE]

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