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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crimson" data-source="post: 279671" data-attributes="member: 5079">Semi- in defense of Joan as an actress, it's fair to point out that she never had great material to work with.  Most actors, even really good ones, are dependent on their scripts and directors to give great performances.  Joan never really had either, so it's hard to judge what she may have been capable of.  Compare her to Kim Novak, who made movies that were great, good and bad -- we have a sense of what she was capable of with varying levels of quality.  Judging an actor who got stuck with all bad films is like judging a runner who had weights strapped to her back.</blockquote>