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<blockquote data-quote="Snarky Oracle!" data-source="post: 327661" data-attributes="member: 57984">Yes, Peppard has this subtly mean-spirited &quot;withholding&quot; thing about him on-screen which doesn&#039;t make him interesting but just low-grade unlikeable. It&#039;s so easy to picture him being the creep everyone reported him being while shooting the DYNASTY pilot in 1980 (a pilot far better than most of the subsequent series) which led to his firing and being replaced by John Forsythe.BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY&#039;S has that JFK-era nostalgic feel, which it always did, from those elements I previously described (eg, the opening credits, &quot;Moon River&quot;, Audrey and her lil black dress) but the film self-consciously tries to be something timely that doesn&#039;t really come off, and the story really doesn&#039;t flow at all.It&#039;s kind of just bad.But BUTTERFIELD 8 is the very definition of the concept &quot;it&#039;s so bad it&#039;s good &quot;-- genuinely good. And the bulk of the credit goes to Elizabeth Taylor whose rage at being forced to do this sanitized tawdry picture emboldens the project, almost lifting it to the level of art... Taylor trashed the movie, understandably, as &quot;a piece of shit&quot; &#039;til the day she died, but she took that shit and made a spectacular bowl of rocky road out of it... She&#039;s fabulous in it, and earned that damned Oscar (even if she didn&#039;t think so).Clearly, the studio was cynically trying to capitalize on Elizabeth&#039;s burgeoning &quot;bad girl&quot; image in the wake of the Debbie/Eddie scandal, and Taylor certainly knew it. Eddie&#039;s even in the thing... And BUTTERFIELD 8 was the beginning of her regal vulgarian period of the 1960s -- when she really did become the Queen of Queens of Hollywood.More than anything, B8 is just much easier to sit through, dishing the scandal and not looking back; in contrast, BAT is weighted down by its pretensions and ambitions, its potential mostly unrealized.BAT doesn&#039;t really know what it wants to be. B8 has no such conflict.<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NPwU_5nGQiI/TGsseG_nNqI/AAAAAAAACxI/6dS0yjGea2o/s400/11413586_gal.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.9zhT7TJ0A5z__1_I97IeRAHaFm?pid=ImgDet&amp;rs=1" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 301px" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarky Oracle!, post: 327661, member: 57984"] Yes, Peppard has this subtly mean-spirited "withholding" thing about him on-screen which doesn't make him interesting but just low-grade unlikeable. It's so easy to picture him being the creep everyone reported him being while shooting the DYNASTY pilot in 1980 (a pilot far better than most of the subsequent series) which led to his firing and being replaced by John Forsythe. BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S has that JFK-era nostalgic feel, which it always did, from those elements I previously described (eg, the opening credits, "Moon River", Audrey and her lil black dress) but the film self-consciously tries to be something timely that doesn't really come off, and the story really doesn't flow at all. It's kind of just bad. But BUTTERFIELD 8 is the [B]very definition[/B] of the concept "it's so bad it's good "-- genuinely good. And the bulk of the credit goes to Elizabeth Taylor whose rage at being forced to do this sanitized tawdry picture emboldens the project, almost lifting it to the level of art... Taylor trashed the movie, understandably, as "a piece of shit" 'til the day she died, but she took that shit and made a spectacular bowl of rocky road out of it... She's fabulous in it, and earned that damned Oscar (even if she didn't think so). Clearly, the studio was cynically trying to capitalize on Elizabeth's burgeoning "bad girl" image in the wake of the Debbie/Eddie scandal, and Taylor certainly knew it. Eddie's [B]even in[/B] the thing... And BUTTERFIELD 8 was the beginning of her regal vulgarian period of the 1960s -- when she really did become the Queen of Queens of Hollywood. More than anything, B8 is just much easier to sit through, dishing the scandal and not looking back; in contrast, BAT is weighted down by its pretensions and ambitions, its potential mostly unrealized. BAT doesn't really know what it wants to be. B8 has no such conflict. [IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NPwU_5nGQiI/TGsseG_nNqI/AAAAAAAACxI/6dS0yjGea2o/s400/11413586_gal.jpg[/IMG][IMG width="301px"]https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.9zhT7TJ0A5z__1_I97IeRAHaFm?pid=ImgDet&rs=1[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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