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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 302837" data-attributes="member: 33"><p>I'll take each of your points separately.</p><p></p><p><strong>1. Should unvaccinated people be social outcasts?</strong></p><p>People have a choice and their choices have consequences. If they are unvaccinated they are at greater risk of passing Covid-19 on to other members of the public so in a pandemic situation when you are trying to stop it's spread it's not unreasonable to suggest their movements should be restricted. When Ebola was spreading rapidly in parts of Africa were you happy for people from those infected regions to hop on a plane to your home town and circulate freely in your neighbourhood? If you needed a blood transfusion would you be happy to receive blood from someone who was having unprotected sex with prostitutes and other groups of people who are at high risk of HIV infection? Why should healthy people be forced to mix with people who have a significantly higher risk of infecting them with a potentially deadly disease? Far better if people choose not to be vaccinated they are limited with how much contact they have with vaccinated people.</p><p></p><p><strong>2. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious.</strong></p><p>Yes but we are talking about a massively different level of being contagious. If I'm vaccinated not only am I over 90% less likely to get Covid-19 but if I'm in the unlucky less than 10% that do, I will have a significantly lower virus load and so will be much less likely to pass it on to someone else.</p><p></p><p>It's not been revealed whether or not Joe Biden's press secretary had her vaccine booster but if she was originally vaccinated more that 6 months ago it's almost irrelevant that she had her initial jabs because it weakens after 6 months.</p><p></p><p><strong>3. There are reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine.</strong></p><p>Around 3.2 billion people have been fully vaccinated worldwide and only a miniscule number of them have had any long term complications. By comparison, over 5 million people have died from covid-19 and it's been estimated that around 100 million are living with long covid.</p><p></p><p><strong>4. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine.</strong></p><p>If a woman has an abortion it impacts on her and her unborn child. If no one takes a covid vaccine, hundreds of millions more people will die. I accept that some people think their individual rights should trump the rights of everyone else but I believe were are a society and not a collection of individual people only considering our own selfish needs. Sometimes we need to act to do what is best for society as a whole.</p><p></p><p><strong>5. It should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.</strong></p><p>The precaution I want to take is not to mix with people who refuse to be vaccinated but I am not given that right. I'm doing to responsible thing for society by being vaccinated but those who chose not to be vaccinated believe their rights should supersede mine. If people don't want to be vaccinated, they should do the responsible thing and not mix with other people who they could potentially pass covid on to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 302837, member: 33"] I'll take each of your points separately. [B]1. Should unvaccinated people be social outcasts?[/B] People have a choice and their choices have consequences. If they are unvaccinated they are at greater risk of passing Covid-19 on to other members of the public so in a pandemic situation when you are trying to stop it's spread it's not unreasonable to suggest their movements should be restricted. When Ebola was spreading rapidly in parts of Africa were you happy for people from those infected regions to hop on a plane to your home town and circulate freely in your neighbourhood? If you needed a blood transfusion would you be happy to receive blood from someone who was having unprotected sex with prostitutes and other groups of people who are at high risk of HIV infection? Why should healthy people be forced to mix with people who have a significantly higher risk of infecting them with a potentially deadly disease? Far better if people choose not to be vaccinated they are limited with how much contact they have with vaccinated people. [B]2. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious.[/B] Yes but we are talking about a massively different level of being contagious. If I'm vaccinated not only am I over 90% less likely to get Covid-19 but if I'm in the unlucky less than 10% that do, I will have a significantly lower virus load and so will be much less likely to pass it on to someone else. It's not been revealed whether or not Joe Biden's press secretary had her vaccine booster but if she was originally vaccinated more that 6 months ago it's almost irrelevant that she had her initial jabs because it weakens after 6 months. [B]3. There are reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine.[/B] Around 3.2 billion people have been fully vaccinated worldwide and only a miniscule number of them have had any long term complications. By comparison, over 5 million people have died from covid-19 and it's been estimated that around 100 million are living with long covid. [B]4. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine.[/B] If a woman has an abortion it impacts on her and her unborn child. If no one takes a covid vaccine, hundreds of millions more people will die. I accept that some people think their individual rights should trump the rights of everyone else but I believe were are a society and not a collection of individual people only considering our own selfish needs. Sometimes we need to act to do what is best for society as a whole. [B]5. It should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.[/B] The precaution I want to take is not to mix with people who refuse to be vaccinated but I am not given that right. I'm doing to responsible thing for society by being vaccinated but those who chose not to be vaccinated believe their rights should supersede mine. If people don't want to be vaccinated, they should do the responsible thing and not mix with other people who they could potentially pass covid on to. [/QUOTE]
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