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<blockquote data-quote="Mel O&amp;#039;Drama" data-source="post: 372919" data-attributes="member: 23">Yes. Either you&#039;re silenced like Geoff Norcott and Damian Green (whose respectful and astute observations about the men&#039;s wellbeing conversation being shut down, were drowned out by aggressive accusations of sexism) or there are calls to cancel entirely.Everyone is now raking over Laurence Fox&#039;s choice of words in great depth. It&#039;s right that he should be held accountable, but it&#039;s wrong that the earlier debate in which comments made by Ava herself were, to put it gently, incredibly unhelpful and dismissive is being conveniently buried as a result.Articles I&#039;ve read have been all about what Fox said without any real conversation about the reason for his exasperation. The comments beneath the Politics Live video tell exactly where people&#039;s real frustrations lie with the context of the bigger picture.I&#039;m not hugely au fait with the history of feminism, but it does (to me, at least) seem to have become more glaringly misandrist as it&#039;s evolved. Though I suppose this could be to do with the misandry being given more of a podium in recent years through social media. And I suppose it&#039;s equally possible that any voices of reason are being drowned out by the less reasonable ones.Sadly, yes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mel O'Drama, post: 372919, member: 23"] Yes. Either you're silenced like Geoff Norcott and Damian Green (whose respectful and astute observations about the men's wellbeing conversation being shut down, were drowned out by aggressive accusations of sexism) or there are calls to cancel entirely. Everyone is now raking over Laurence Fox's choice of words in great depth. It's right that he should be held accountable, but it's wrong that the earlier debate in which comments made by Ava herself were, to put it gently, incredibly unhelpful and dismissive is being conveniently buried as a result. Articles I've read have been all about what [I]Fox[/I] said without any real conversation about the [U][I]reason[/I][/U] for his exasperation. The comments beneath the Politics Live video tell exactly where people's real frustrations lie with the context of the bigger picture. I'm not hugely au fait with the history of feminism, but it does (to me, at least) seem to have become more glaringly misandrist as it's evolved. Though I suppose this could be to do with the misandry being given more of a podium in recent years through social media. And I suppose it's equally possible that any voices of reason are being drowned out by the less reasonable ones. Sadly, yes. [/QUOTE]

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