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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 443473" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Men aren't even good enough to be allies, huh? It goes to show what many feminists (including the males) really think of men deep down; that we only care about ourselves.</p><p></p><p>And yet when men post about their mental health issues, feelings of isolation and loneliness, etc., they are routinely mocked for it by these <em>deep, compassionate</em> feminists.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you believe that, then you haven't been paying attention for the last 9 years. It has nothing to do with <em>my</em> argument or <em>my</em> definition of the #MeToo movement. I'm stating exactly what happened. My argument from the start has been that well-intentioned movements are often hijacked by bad faith actors. A simple Google search will explain exactly what the #MeToo movement turned into and why there was pushback against it, but as per usual, you accuse me of creating my own narrative rather than stating a fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't avoid the "central point." I said the US has a history of supporting traditional gender roles, and that progress is a continuous, evolving process. Cultural changes and views on gender roles have shifted over time and will continue to do so moving forward. That said, I think some people have a habit of undermining the progress that <em>has</em> taken place. I also think [USER=8]@Willie Oleson[/USER] made a good point about equal opportunity being more important than a balanced career path. My main issue with a program like DEI is that some women were being hired for positions they weren't qualified for (hence my law enforcement example.) Should women be hired over men if they're the most qualified for the position? Of course. But if DEI measures are leading to women being put in positions they're not qualified for, or worse, that put them in danger, then that's a problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 443473, member: 35"] Men aren't even good enough to be allies, huh? It goes to show what many feminists (including the males) really think of men deep down; that we only care about ourselves. And yet when men post about their mental health issues, feelings of isolation and loneliness, etc., they are routinely mocked for it by these [I]deep, compassionate[/I] feminists. If you believe that, then you haven't been paying attention for the last 9 years. It has nothing to do with [I]my[/I] argument or [I]my[/I] definition of the #MeToo movement. I'm stating exactly what happened. My argument from the start has been that well-intentioned movements are often hijacked by bad faith actors. A simple Google search will explain exactly what the #MeToo movement turned into and why there was pushback against it, but as per usual, you accuse me of creating my own narrative rather than stating a fact. I didn't avoid the "central point." I said the US has a history of supporting traditional gender roles, and that progress is a continuous, evolving process. Cultural changes and views on gender roles have shifted over time and will continue to do so moving forward. That said, I think some people have a habit of undermining the progress that [I]has[/I] taken place. I also think [USER=8]@Willie Oleson[/USER] made a good point about equal opportunity being more important than a balanced career path. My main issue with a program like DEI is that some women were being hired for positions they weren't qualified for (hence my law enforcement example.) Should women be hired over men if they're the most qualified for the position? Of course. But if DEI measures are leading to women being put in positions they're not qualified for, or worse, that put them in danger, then that's a problem. [/QUOTE]
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