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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 437565" data-attributes="member: 35">For those that say &quot;it&#039;s not just about who deported more,&quot; the ACLU revealed in 2014 that only one quarter of all people facing expulsion got to present their case before an immigration judge.&nbsp; In contrast, the 75% facing non-judicial removals went through fast-tracked proceedings controlled by the Department of Homeland Security.&nbsp; Those proceedings often involved a single border agent who acted as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal had no lawyer and no chance to appeal.&nbsp; Source:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama" target="_blank">ACLU</a>Contrary to what some think, pointing that out is not an attempt to &quot;derail real concerns&quot; when it comes to ICE&#039;s fascist tactics today.&nbsp; Rather, its&#039;s a counter narrative to those who insists that Trump&#039;s predecessors aren&#039;t that bad or that Obama simply &quot;deported more people.&quot;&nbsp; Politico also ran an article in 2016 stating the administration engaged in family deportation raids, so there&#039;s cruelty to go around.&nbsp; And as I said before, there&#039;s still all of their war crimes to account for even if you put the immigration issue aside.Nobody&#039;s annoyed when Trump&#039;s criticized.&nbsp; Snarky and I have made many of the same criticisms of him ourselves.&nbsp; The annoyance is at the revisionist view of other politicians.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 437565, member: 35"] For those that say "it's not just about who deported more," the ACLU revealed in 2014 that only one quarter of all people facing expulsion got to present their case before an immigration judge. In contrast, the 75% facing non-judicial removals went through fast-tracked proceedings controlled by the Department of Homeland Security. Those proceedings often involved a single border agent who acted as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal had no lawyer and no chance to appeal. Source: [URL='https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama']ACLU[/URL] Contrary to what some think, pointing that out is not an attempt to "derail real concerns" when it comes to ICE's fascist tactics today. Rather, its's a counter narrative to those who insists that Trump's predecessors aren't that bad or that Obama simply "deported more people." Politico also ran an article in 2016 stating the administration engaged in family deportation raids, so there's cruelty to go around. And as I said before, there's still all of their war crimes to account for even if you put the immigration issue aside. Nobody's annoyed when Trump's criticized. Snarky and I have made many of the same criticisms of him ourselves. The annoyance is at the revisionist view of [I]other[/I] politicians. [/QUOTE]

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