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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 419073" data-attributes="member: 33">Boris Johnson is a lying former Prime Minister with no power, no respect and no credibility but you choose to believe him over the voices of other current European leaders because it fits your narrative better than the facts.NATO countries have mostly refused to give Ukraine weapons that would allow strikes on Russian territory because they feared they would escalate the war. If they were carrying out a &quot;proxy war&quot; to weaken Russia why would that be a concern of theirs?Russian border guards have already been encroaching on Estonian territory in the Narva River. Donald Tusk has warned that Russia will invade Poland next if he succeeds in Ukraine. Putin hasn&#039;t made a secret of his desire to restore the old Soviet Union which is why so many European leaders are energised to help Ukraine to defend its territory. I trust Donald Tusk more than I trust Putin.Stories about a deal between Russia and Ukraine to stop the war are bogus. Zelensky has always said a peace deal must include the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and for it to be allowed to join NATO. Unless Putin agreed to that (he wouldn&#039;t) it&#039;s inconceivable that there was any peace deal that Boris The Clown persuaded him to reject. There is absolutely no agreement that NATO wouldn&#039;t expand eastwards or in any direction for that matter.&nbsp; A article from a beauty parlour,&nbsp; or whatever &quot;Salon&quot; is, is not evidence, it&#039;s just repeating Russian propaganda. If there was an agreement, where is it? Where and when was it signed?This illustrates the strength of the evidence to rebut many of the points made by [USER=2210]@Laurie![/USER] and me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 419073, member: 33"] Boris Johnson is a lying former Prime Minister with no power, no respect and no credibility but you choose to believe him over the voices of other current European leaders because it fits your narrative better than the facts. NATO countries have mostly refused to give Ukraine weapons that would allow strikes on Russian territory because they feared they would escalate the war. If they were carrying out a "proxy war" to weaken Russia why would that be a concern of theirs? Russian border guards have already been encroaching on Estonian territory in the Narva River. Donald Tusk has warned that Russia will invade Poland next if he succeeds in Ukraine. Putin hasn't made a secret of his desire to restore the old Soviet Union which is why so many European leaders are energised to help Ukraine to defend its territory. I trust Donald Tusk more than I trust Putin. Stories about a deal between Russia and Ukraine to stop the war are bogus. Zelensky has always said a peace deal must include the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and for it to be allowed to join NATO. Unless Putin agreed to that (he wouldn't) it's inconceivable that there was any peace deal that Boris The Clown persuaded him to reject. There is absolutely no agreement that NATO wouldn't expand eastwards or in any direction for that matter. A article from a beauty parlour, or whatever "Salon" is, is not evidence, it's just repeating Russian propaganda. If there was an agreement, where is it? Where and when was it signed? This illustrates the strength of the evidence to rebut many of the points made by [USER=2210]@Laurie![/USER] and me. [/QUOTE]

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