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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 419077" data-attributes="member: 35">Salon is the name of a news publication.&nbsp; If you actually bothered to read the article rather than mocking the name of the publication, you would see the specific sources cited.The fact that NATO countries have been reluctant to allow Ukraine to strike Russian territory isn&#039;t that surprising.&nbsp; According to an article in the New York Times, &quot;“The United States ultimately would carry a lot of the burden of responding if there was a significant escalation by Russia.&quot;&nbsp; Weakening Russia from within Ukraine is more advantageous. As for Johnson, I&#039;m reminded of your own words about Trump.&nbsp; You said, &quot;When people tell you who they are, believe them.&quot;&nbsp; My &quot;narrative&quot; has been formed precisely by following the facts.&nbsp; There is reporting to suggest a peace deal was on the table, and Johnson discouraged it on behalf of the West.&nbsp; I also believe Johnson&#039;s admission that the West is fighting a proxy war.&nbsp; What incentive would he have to lie about that?&nbsp; It would also explain why he wouldn&#039;t want the war to end.&nbsp; You can choose to believe he&#039;s lying, and that the reporting is a fabrication, but I didn&#039;t pull that from my ass.&nbsp; Unlike, say, the claim that Russia is the lone aggressor and NATO never promised not to expand.Again, the irony of accusing me of pushing &quot;Russian propaganda&quot; as you push US mainstream media propaganda is such a hoot!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 419077, member: 35"] Salon is the name of a news publication. If you actually bothered to read the article rather than mocking the name of the publication, you would see the specific sources cited. The fact that NATO countries have been reluctant to allow Ukraine to strike Russian territory isn't that surprising. According to an article in the New York Times, "“The United States ultimately would carry a lot of the burden of responding if there was a significant escalation by Russia." Weakening Russia from within Ukraine is more advantageous. As for Johnson, I'm reminded of your own words about Trump. You said, "When people tell you who they are, believe them." My "narrative" has been formed precisely by following the facts. There is reporting to suggest a peace deal was on the table, and Johnson discouraged it on behalf of the West. I also believe Johnson's admission that the West is fighting a proxy war. What incentive would he have to lie about that? It would also explain why he wouldn't want the war to end. You can choose to believe he's lying, and that the reporting is a fabrication, but I didn't pull that from my ass. Unlike, say, the claim that Russia is the lone aggressor and NATO never promised not to expand. Again, the irony of accusing me of pushing "Russian propaganda" as you push US mainstream media propaganda is such a hoot! [/QUOTE]

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