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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 419804" data-attributes="member: 33">Even if I were to accept that NATO said they wouldn&#039;t expand to the east (I don&#039;t for reasons already given) it still doesn&#039;t justify Putin&#039;s illegal invasion of Ukraine. He is the aggressor, he is the one who broke international law and he is the one prolonging the war by continuing to bomb and refusing to withdraw from illegally seized territory. That is the reason why the Ukrainian people think he shouldn&#039;t be rewarded by giving him their land. If your country was invaded by Russian and you were faced with the prospect of living under Putin&#039;s authoritarian regime and had your rights and democratic privileges removed, would you want to fight on or would you just shrug your shoulders and say, let Putin get away with it, I don&#039;t care?The first sentence in Dore&#039;s Wikipedia entry (my use of bold):&quot;James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American stand-up comedian, political commentator, conspiracy theorist, podcaster and YouTube personality.&quot;It also goes on to state how he was accused of sexual harassment so it&#039;s no surprise that he would side with Trump. It&#039;s not just Wikipedia that are saying these things, it&#039;s a broadly held opinion of many people who can support their claims with verifiable evidence, something that Dore regularly fails to do.I don&#039;t think this makes him a credible commentator and that&#039;s before I take into account the complete lies, distortions and half-truths that he was peddling during the pandemic about Covid-19 and vaccinations which could well have cost some people their lives. Regarding pee-gate, former UK intelligence agent Christopher Steele who complied the dossier which originally made the claim stands by his findings. Trump attempted to sue him for libel in the UK courts and lost and was ordered to Steele $382,000. So people (including myself) who think that Trump is compromised and that Putin has an hold over him, have just justification in holding that position because the evidence was supported in a UK court. [URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/07/trump-loses-lawsuit-steele-dossier[/URL]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 419804, member: 33"] Even if I were to accept that NATO said they wouldn't expand to the east (I don't for reasons already given) it still doesn't justify Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine. He is the aggressor, he is the one who broke international law and he is the one prolonging the war by continuing to bomb and refusing to withdraw from illegally seized territory. That is the reason why the Ukrainian people think he shouldn't be rewarded by giving him their land. If your country was invaded by Russian and you were faced with the prospect of living under Putin's authoritarian regime and had your rights and democratic privileges removed, would you want to fight on or would you just shrug your shoulders and say, let Putin get away with it, I don't care? The first sentence in Dore's Wikipedia entry (my use of bold): [I]"James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American stand-up comedian, political commentator, [B]conspiracy theorist[/B], podcaster and YouTube personality."[/I] It also goes on to state how he was accused of sexual harassment so it's no surprise that he would side with Trump. It's not just Wikipedia that are saying these things, it's a broadly held opinion of many people who can support their claims with verifiable evidence, something that Dore regularly fails to do. I don't think this makes him a credible commentator and that's before I take into account the complete lies, distortions and half-truths that he was peddling during the pandemic about Covid-19 and vaccinations which could well have cost some people their lives. Regarding pee-gate, former UK intelligence agent Christopher Steele who complied the dossier which originally made the claim stands by his findings. Trump attempted to sue him for libel in the UK courts and lost and was ordered to Steele $382,000. So people (including myself) who think that Trump is compromised and that Putin has an hold over him, have just justification in holding that position because the evidence was supported in a UK court. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/07/trump-loses-lawsuit-steele-dossier[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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