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<blockquote data-quote="Laurie!" data-source="post: 419956" data-attributes="member: 2210">Only Ukrainian people get to decide when the war ends.&nbsp; They shouldn&#039;t be extorted of critical minerals or anything else in exchange for assistance.We should offer our help to any democratic country/territory where an attempt is being made to illegally annex land.The war ends when Ukraine says so.&nbsp; Nobody else gets to decide for them.Easy.&nbsp; NATO doesn&#039;t really want to defend anyone and Russia knows it.Imagine if the Netherlands, Poland, France, et al had simply acknowledged reality back in the early 1940&#039;s....stopped fighting to save lives and accepted their inevitable fate.Larger militaries don&#039;t always win wars.&nbsp; Nobody won Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan for example.&nbsp; Though the U.S. lies and says they&#039;ve never lost a war (1812 anyone).The U.S. also likes to pretend they could easily take over Canada militarily.&nbsp; However, it would take hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground to do so, given our land mass.&nbsp; You can guarandamntee that we won&#039;t simply concede defeat and the U.S. public doesn&#039;t have the stomach for what would happen.&nbsp; They won&#039;t use nukes on us either.&nbsp; The radiation alone would kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.&nbsp; FYI, we know how to make nukes and have lots of uranium.Bottom line is, the Ukrainian people hold all of the cards; despite what Trump says.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Laurie!, post: 419956, member: 2210"] Only Ukrainian people get to decide when the war ends. They shouldn't be extorted of critical minerals or anything else in exchange for assistance. We should offer our help to any democratic country/territory where an attempt is being made to illegally annex land. The war ends when Ukraine says so. Nobody else gets to decide for them. Easy. NATO doesn't really want to defend anyone and Russia knows it. Imagine if the Netherlands, Poland, France, et al had simply acknowledged reality back in the early 1940's....stopped fighting to save lives and accepted their inevitable fate. Larger militaries don't always win wars. Nobody won Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan for example. Though the U.S. lies and says they've never lost a war (1812 anyone). The U.S. also likes to pretend they could easily take over Canada militarily. However, it would take hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground to do so, given our land mass. You can guarandamntee that we won't simply concede defeat and the U.S. public doesn't have the stomach for what would happen. They won't use nukes on us either. The radiation alone would kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. FYI, we know how to make nukes and have lots of uranium. Bottom line is, the Ukrainian people hold all of the cards; despite what Trump says. [/QUOTE]

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