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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson" data-source="post: 313819" data-attributes="member: 5079"><p>I thought BLACK WIDOW was fine; it felt like a Phase One or early Phase Two project and if it had been released earlier, I might have been more impressed with it. It's a bit too little and a bit too late for me to consider it more than kind of adequate. As bold as the MCU has been from the beginning, it's a retro-weakness that Black Widow and Hawkeye were sidelined as secondary characters. From the beginning, I thought it was odd that they didn't launch with Ant-Man and the Wasp, if it was thought Natasha and Clint weren't strong enough characters.</p><p></p><p>My biggest gripe with the film is that it never quite landed on a consistent tone; the extremely broad Red Guardian, in particular, felt like he wandered in from another movie. There's a huge difference between a 'serious' movie organically inserting some levity and a movie shifting its tone; the later tends to snap me out of the narrative.</p><p></p><p>I agree with all of your critiques of the film, but will add one more that rubbed me wrong. There's been a slight feeling through much of Phase Four of it being built by tearing down the earlier phases. Whether it's the Infinity Stones being played as a gag in LOKI, or Loki himself being sidelined and treated like a buffoon in his own series, or here Yelena (admittedly, good naturedly) mocking Natasha, there's been a vague but recurring feeling of scorn towards what came before. Now it's true all of this is fairly subtle and on its own probably wouldn't have bothered me much, but it fits into a bigger trend in pop culture of building something new by trashing what came before it (see: the STAR WARS franchise). This will pop up again in subsequent MCU entries and also what I'll be able to talk about more fully after HAWKEYE. I think too that this runs very much in parallel to your comments about the inversion of roles; this all feels like a specific type of poor, even agenda-based, writing.</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: The Winter Soldier</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: Civil War</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor: Ragnarok</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avengers: Infinity War</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Avengers</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avengers: Endgame</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: The First Avenger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spider-Man: Homecoming</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">WandaVision</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Black Panther</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spider-Man: Far From Home</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Doctor Strange</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avengers: Age of Ultron</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Incredible Hulk</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ant-Man</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Black Widow</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ant-Man and The Wasp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Loki</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain Marvel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man 3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Falcon and The Winter Soldier</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor: The Dark World</li> </ol><p>Updated: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-4ddvnoKiXP-GKSDUJM-e0Fu1nCdyv6Kf-VyMeokpU/edit?usp=sharing">MCU Ratings on Google Sheets</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crimson, post: 313819, member: 5079"] I thought BLACK WIDOW was fine; it felt like a Phase One or early Phase Two project and if it had been released earlier, I might have been more impressed with it. It's a bit too little and a bit too late for me to consider it more than kind of adequate. As bold as the MCU has been from the beginning, it's a retro-weakness that Black Widow and Hawkeye were sidelined as secondary characters. From the beginning, I thought it was odd that they didn't launch with Ant-Man and the Wasp, if it was thought Natasha and Clint weren't strong enough characters. My biggest gripe with the film is that it never quite landed on a consistent tone; the extremely broad Red Guardian, in particular, felt like he wandered in from another movie. There's a huge difference between a 'serious' movie organically inserting some levity and a movie shifting its tone; the later tends to snap me out of the narrative. I agree with all of your critiques of the film, but will add one more that rubbed me wrong. There's been a slight feeling through much of Phase Four of it being built by tearing down the earlier phases. Whether it's the Infinity Stones being played as a gag in LOKI, or Loki himself being sidelined and treated like a buffoon in his own series, or here Yelena (admittedly, good naturedly) mocking Natasha, there's been a vague but recurring feeling of scorn towards what came before. Now it's true all of this is fairly subtle and on its own probably wouldn't have bothered me much, but it fits into a bigger trend in pop culture of building something new by trashing what came before it (see: the STAR WARS franchise). This will pop up again in subsequent MCU entries and also what I'll be able to talk about more fully after HAWKEYE. I think too that this runs very much in parallel to your comments about the inversion of roles; this all feels like a specific type of poor, even agenda-based, writing. [LIST=1] [*]Captain America: The Winter Soldier [*]Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1 [*]Captain America: Civil War [*]Thor: Ragnarok [*]Avengers: Infinity War [*]The Avengers [*]Avengers: Endgame [*]Iron Man [*]Captain America: The First Avenger [*]Spider-Man: Homecoming [*]WandaVision [*]Black Panther [*]Spider-Man: Far From Home [*]Doctor Strange [*]Avengers: Age of Ultron [*]Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 [*]Thor [*]The Incredible Hulk [*]Ant-Man [*]Black Widow [*]Ant-Man and The Wasp [*]Loki [*]Captain Marvel [*]Iron Man 3 [*]Iron Man 2 [*]The Falcon and The Winter Soldier [*]Thor: The Dark World [/LIST] Updated: [URL='https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-4ddvnoKiXP-GKSDUJM-e0Fu1nCdyv6Kf-VyMeokpU/edit?usp=sharing']MCU Ratings on Google Sheets[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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